Brazil Friendly NT matches 2012

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  1. Kaka10725 Member

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    Dunga Brazil I think would of beaten them. Mano Brazil have the overall talent to beat them but don't convince me enough to believe they can beat Spain.
          
  2. PapaDoc23 Member

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    Spain can be beaten. Spain plays slow boring tiki-taka football. Portugal gave Spain alot of trouble and if CR7 had a good forward like a Benzema they would have easily scored. With the Brazil NT we have Neymar,Hulk and sometimes Damiao. That is why we needs to play the 4-3-1-2 to flood the midfield. Brazilian football has always been pace,speed,dribble,penetration in the box. Spain is slow passing,probing,find an opening and attack. To beat them you need to have a solid defense,flood the midfield to get the ball back and have two forwards with speed and strength to breakdown Spain's defense.
  3. Kaka10725 Member

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    To beat you have to score first.
  4. arun10 Member

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    2012 version of Spain can be beaten by many teams including Brazil.They are not anything special anymore.And painfully boring to watch.
    Their time at the top is almost near the end, whether they win the euro or not.
  5. JamesBH11 Member

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    You maybe right ... and I do think this young Brazil side could score against Spain in first 60minutes ... well I hope :p

    Most important thing is that Neyar, Lucas, Oscar Ganso need to go to play in Europe big teams - to learn more of the pressure handling , tactics of big games and tricks in play from big coaches, players there - the sooner the better

    Why? Besides the above obvious "experiences" mentioned in bold, history says that ONLY Brazil could have won WC with their main players playing in big clubs of Europe (Romario, Bebeto, Dunga, Ronaldo Rivaldo Ronaldinho...) Rivelino , Alemao, Zico Socrates FAILED while they play inside Brqazil in their time! Didi, Pele and Garrincha were way off in the past when the games were just EVEN from SA to Europe back then!
  6. Kaka10725 Member

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    That thing though no one has beaten them in the Euro's. They have been painful to watch for about 2 years but it hell of effective. Score 1 goal and just pass for 90 mins. I definitely think we can beat them but we are not ready yet as of right now IMO. There still some kinks that need to be work out. We need to get organized, we need a define system, we need a balance lineup and of course get better defensively.
  7. Kaka10725 Member

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    Spain wins the Euro's again in spectacular fashion. The commentator was saying how Spain would fare against the 1970 Brazil team. How short people memory are. The team we had in 96-99 would have given them a run for there money. There defense would get a hell of a test with prime Ronaldo.
  8. PapaDoc23 Member

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    I know. People are all of sudden have underrated Brasil know. People say we are overrated,samba is crap, or worse that Brasil time on the sun is gone. Let them underrate the boys in yellow and blue and they will see what happens. We are waiting and preparing. The world may forget about brasil but we will be back with a vengeance. We have alot of young guys who will shine in 3-5 years. The new era of brasil is coming back.
  9. JamesBH11 Member

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    well Spain did put a fantastic game in attack (surprisingly) against the "naive" tactic of Italy (fully open at the back in first 30minutes) ...

    Imagine they will face off with prime Ronaldo running off from midfield and play 1 and 2 with Romario ? Not even mention of Pele + Tostao + Jairzinho and Rivelino ... Goshh
  10. Ombak Moderator

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    There's an article up on ESPN about Spain being the best ever because they won 3 titles in a row but it correctly points out that Brazil has an arguably better record since 1994 (2 World Cups and a 2nd place in 3 tournaments, 3 Confed Cups, 4 Copa Americas? the issue is finding a cutoff and comparing generation to generation).
  11. Kaka10725 Member

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    We are underrate now b/c in general people keep comparing the current team to teams in the past. Which I have always stated to be unfair cause the previous bar was set high.
  12. IVO ! Member

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    I am so damn sick of hearing comparisons between this Spain team to Brasil's '70 team, or Barcelona's team to Santos '62 team. All a bunch of crap.
    How in the ******** can you compare Rivelino, Gerson, Jairzinho, Tostao, and oh yeh, Pele, to a Xavi/Inesta/Fagregas? Pure crap.
  13. PapaDoc23 Member

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    I know FIFA world rankings are total crap but it looks we fell to 11th place. The reason I mention this is because people are seriously underrating us. LOL. I sort of like it like that. It puts the pressure off the Selecao a bit.
  14. IVO ! Member

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    What pressure does it put off??
    It is our undeniable, undisputed obligation to win the 2014 World Cup.
  15. Mengão86 Moderator

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    Who are the dominant teams in this era? You can't just look at the titles won and make comparisons across generations without looking at ALL of the factors. Outside of Spain, there really isn't any elite national teams at the moment. You could make a case about Germany, but that's about it. The rest look shaky at times -- Argentina, England, Holland, Italy, France, Brazil, etc.
    PapaDoc23 repped this.
  16. NotreDameFlamengo Member

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    Thats why I think Brasil, even if they don't progress/develope as much as we all would like in 2 years, still has just as good of a shot as anyone to win the Copa. Its a competetion where luck and peaking at the right time makes all the difference.

    And am I the only one that thinks England is completely overated and should never even be discussed on the level of other contenders? In my opinion Portugal and various other teams in Europe and SA are head and shoulders above them in terms of talent and production.
  17. Mengão86 Moderator

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    I have always stated for years that England is one of the most overrated teams in years, especially by their media. A couple members here at BS could attest to that. I think they had some good talent a few years ago to do something, but they have always lacked cohesion. They never seemed to gel as a unit. I've never seen a team get so much hype and never win anything.

    I think part of their constant hype is linked to the success of the Premier League. Since their players are mostly based from the league, people automatically believe they are all quality.
  18. PapaDoc23 Member

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    That is true. I was having a discussion with a Portuguese friend of mine he said the same thing. Spain has beaten every team major European power in the last 4 years. Since Zidane left France have been shaky. Holland the land of total football was total garbage at this years Euros. Italy did better then anybody expected but that match with Spain hurt them alot. Their defense was terrible.Germany seems to have a team that is deadly but is slowly becoming the Holland of old. You know play good in qualification and group stages but choke at the elimination rounds. Portugal could beat Spain but they lack a striker which will always hinder them. Without CR7 and Nani Portugal is an average team.Argentina has good offensive but their defense is STILL weak! Their full squad conceded 3 goals from an U-23 Brasil team.

    The main them is the big teams have fallen of their ways it seems. Italians complain that the team is playing a game that is far from the hard defense Italian way. Dutch fans complain Holland is not playing total football. Germans complaining Germany is not playing the same dominant force like the old German teams. The Portuguese are still complaining they have no striker. The french are looking for the next Zidane. The Argies have good forwards,better then average midfield and a defense that makes QPR's defense look elite. So we are at an usual time in football. However I think by 2014 there will be balance in the football. Spain is at its golden era but they are slowly declining.
  19. Kaka10725 Member

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    It Spain then a big gap with Germany possibly second and then everybody else around the same level. Spain are very good and are one of the best NT ever but they also are dominating in a weaken Era of international futbol.

    The mid 90's to early 2000's the gap wasn't so big in international futbol. Argentina, Italy, France, Brazil, Holland and you can even add Portugal who had there golden generation at the time all with the potential teams that could win the world cup.
  20. JamesBH11 Member

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    Well to be frank ... Brazil NT now lost quite a few games vs strong opponents (Germany, France, and Argentina ...) while only won over "crap" sides ... so FIFA ranking is not as bad

    Like Kaka10725 said the bar was set a bit too high (inside Brazil) vs older eras ... and rightly so ... Brazil with Ronaldo (and Romario) were ALWAYS #1 = 9times /12 years span in FIFA, from 94-05 (bar 2 years 2000-01 when Ronaldo was OFF) . Plus the fact we always lack of GOOD coach (with good tactics to compensate for the quality of players, and playing style)

    With the CORE of this young sides, plus a "new" caoch I believe we'll do well in next WC, especially AT HOME
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    rumors of Brazil to play Libya in Libya in order to improve relations between the two countries...
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    China in Recife on 10th September confirmed
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  24. Mengão86 Moderator

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    What a joke...
  25. lawsonishere Member

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    At least there will be a crowd......
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