Brasileiros "gringos": Brazilians playing for other nations thread

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by soccer krazy, Jun 1, 2007.

  1. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    I'm surprised Jorginho wasn't included on that list.
     
  2. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    So it turns out that Jorginho is ineligible to represent Italy. Absurd that the guy can play youth games for Italy and not be eligible to fully suit up for the senior team. He needs to wait 8 more months - something to do with how he acquired the Italian passport and the nationality of his great grandfather.
     
  3. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    I hope that Diego Costa fails spectacularly in the World Cup. I would be extremely happy if Spain got eliminated thanks to Diego Costa missing a penalty kick. I get very angry at him. Spain with their tiki-taka is the team I most want to see doing poorly, even more than Argentina (the second one I most want to see failing).
     
  4. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    He's battling a chronic muscle injury now. Not good for him being 100% in the cup. I'm not complaining...
     
  5. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Yes, but with still 3 weeks to go, it might be sufficient for full recovery, no? However I did read that this particular kind of muscle injury often gets aggravated and becomes chronic every time they try to come back too early, which is probably why he only played for 9 minutes yesterday.

    Yep, let's hope that the Judas is pitiful in the Cup.
     
  6. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    With this injury, I really see it hard for VdB to try and incorporate Judas into his plans mid-way into the World Cup. I'm assuming he's gone on without him for now.
     
  7. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    VdB is going to use a False 9 in the upcoming warm ups. I have no doubt Costa will be on the final roster. But he's pretty spent so I don't know how much he will feature on the team.
     
  8. Mengão86

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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    @globoesportecom: Del Bosque diz que decisão sobre Diego Costa será 'no último momento' http://t.co/Jhu9pQKXuY

    If he doesn't go to the WC, he's still eligible to play for us, correct?
     
  9. NotreDameFlamengo

    Jul 25, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Joking?

    If serious, I believe once he filed the paperwork, there's no going back. I could be wrong though.
     
  10. Bakaman

    Bakaman Member

    May 8, 2008
    São Paulo, Brazil
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I suppose it's time to give up on playing the "betrayed wife" role on this Costa case. There is no use holding any grudges on him, or wishing him back, his choice is done. The consequences are his to bear.
     
  11. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    I don't know if he's still eligible but it doesn't matter. The CBF has made abundantly clear that Diego Costa is "persona non grata" from now on and even said they'll pursue an attempt to strip him of Brazilian citizenship, so, regardless of whether or not he plays the WC for Spain, I'm pretty sure he is never coming back to the Brazilian national team. He'll have to live with his despicable decision for the rest of his life.
     
  12. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Well, no, I'll keep the grudge. I think his decision was a disgrace and to tell you the truth I do root against him and wish that his career tanks. Sure, it's petty and vindictive but I'm only human.
     
  13. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    And what's the real problem behind that? He has to decide and chose the other option, it's his free decision. You shouldn't question that.
     
  14. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    The problem is when Scolari called him up; he had no problem accepting the call-up.
     
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  15. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I don't think anyone is holding out hope that he changes his mind. If he misses the Cup and is still eligible to play for Brazil, it shows how pathetic the FIFA eligibility rules are.
     
  16. Bakaman

    Bakaman Member

    May 8, 2008
    São Paulo, Brazil
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    That I can agree with. But I highly doubt that he would be called by us again anyway, I don't think CBF would humilliate itself like that.

    I'm just saying that his decision was already done, nothing will change that. If our ambition is fulfilled and Brasil wins the Hexa, Costa will look like the biggest fool around. That's why I prefer to root for our victory, instead of wishing for his failure.
     
  17. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I would say no because he filed the paperwork to "switch" sides. But I've stopped trying to guess what makes sense in terms of FIFA rules. He could be eligible to play for New Guinea and it wouldn't surprise me.
     
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  18. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    I think he is actually still eligible for Brazil - I think the switch only applies to youth players?
     
  19. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Is this exactly how you'd feel if a top German player, one who might make a real difference, had been called up to the German National Team, but then suddenly decided to decline and join, say, the English team, greatly enhancing their chances for victory, and you were in a collision course with the English team? If you can say you wouldn't experience any sense of betrayal, good for you, you must be more mature and self-controlled than I am.

    See, Spain is one of the main candidates for the title. We're all sick and tired of their tiki-taka and they were looking rather spent, with other teams figuring out how to beat them. Suddenly they acquired someone who is a power forward and can actually turn their currently less efficient possession-minded game (I mean, less efficient than it used to be once teams figured out how to beat them, but still pretty impressive) into a renewed threat.

    So, if Spain is first in their group and we're second in ours, or vice-versa, we'll face them in the round of 16. If this guy then recovers from his injury, plays, and scores, I think we'd be justified in feeling rather angry at him.

    Think of a very similar situation involving your team. If you can truly say you wouldn't mind or blame him, then, fine. But again, like I said, I'm just human, maybe less mature than you are, and personally I just can't forgive him this easily.
     
  20. Bakaman

    Bakaman Member

    May 8, 2008
    São Paulo, Brazil
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Brasitusa, you are free to feel as you like. I actually don't forgive him either and that's why I would NEVER accept him anywhere close to our yellow shirt again. I just chose to ignore him and let him dig his own grave.I avoid holding grudges because I believe they hurt the ones who keep them more than their targets, but I understand your position. Treason is ugly, no matter what.

    Above all, I don't think Costa is worth the trouble. He may be good, but I believe in Fred. Ele não tem grife, mas sabe fazer gol, é um especialista.
     
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  21. Jiripoca

    Jiripoca Member

    Jul 16, 2013
    London - Sao Paulo - Peruibe
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I always have a problem with anyone who tries to dictate to people what they should and should not feel and what they should not question. The problem is he is a traitor to Brasil, and you are in no position to lecture Brasil fans on how we react.
     
  22. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Maybe you should use this to assess Costa's decision otherwise these are just empty words.
     
  23. Jiripoca

    Jiripoca Member

    Jul 16, 2013
    London - Sao Paulo - Peruibe
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    And I am speaking on behalf of Brasil fans who he betrayed, it is not my job to worry about Judas and his `dilemma` but I can understand how a supporter of a rival team like you would want to play it down and make out its nothing. Basically youre laughing at Brasil and pretending Germans would not be bothered e.g. if an important German player decided to play for Poland or Turkey or whoever.
     
  24. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Does happen quite a lot and well, I'm fine with that. Worse than a player changing the country is a player that can't represent it fullhearthy and just doesn't care that much. Also these incidents always are way more complicate than right/wrong decisions and from the German perspective I can tell you that the own federation is often to blame too, when a player wants to change. I'm sure we could have used Nuri Sahin quite well in Brazil or the Kovac brothers, the Altintop brothers or Basturk in the past. There are also a lot of DFB youngsters that decide to play for the nations of their grandfathers despite a history with the DFB like Kevin-Prince Boateng, Jermaine Jones, Polanski, Matip, Maxim Choupo-Moting and multiple others. You won't find a negative comment from me for their choice though.

    The truth is that none of them decides _against_ an option but for one and in most cases it's a hard decision for them. If you appeal to human nature to justify your anger then think a moment about the human nature of the player's choice.
     
  25. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I will just say this though ... Costa has no Spanish association like those players you mentioned who are German but have a Turkish background (and etc ...). His dream was not to play for Spain, his ambition is to play a WC. If he hadn't committed to Del Bosque already, he would have played for Brazil.

    Anyways ... beating a dead horse here and just to let you know you are being baited by a troll.
     

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