Brasileiros "gringos": Brazilians playing for other nations thread

You really think so? I don't know.. let's see what happens in June next year.

 

Once you leave those countries you're no longer considered a "citizen" of those countries but a defectee... you do know what a defectee is right? I'm pretty sure you can't defect from any country...

 

They can't pursue you outside their country anymore once you've defected.. simple. Cuz you're no longer a citizen.

If that was the case Osvaldo Alonso and half the MLB would be on trial in Cuba...

 

No clue whatsover either? Entering google to provide hard proof for you is not worth the time or effort. Why dont you go get some proof on your uninformed statement.

 

You mean "defectors."

North Korea is a country you mentioned.

While North Korea is a human rights nightmare whose government has no qualms in using the most barbaric measures to suppress dissent and to punish "traitors," it is not true that defectors who are caught and repatriated lose North Korean citizenship. They may be tortured, beaten, imprisoned, and in some cases, executed, but the removal of citizenship is the least of their worries. Heck, if I had to choose between having Brazil's government nullify my citizenship or having to spend a month in a dungeon being beaten with cassetetes (and having a cassetete shoved up my rectum for good measure), I'd gladly opt for the former.

In recent time, a number of very young North Koreans who were trying to defect to South Korea were caught in Laos, and with Laotian government help, were sent back to North Korea. Yet these youths were later shown on state television, apparently healthy, all wearing party badges. Now, this may well have been a propaganda stunt, but even if they were slapped around or even beaten, they were displayed on national TV in good condition. They spoke against those whom they met abroad.

I would speculate North Korea's government didn't strip them of their citizenship.

And, North Korea gladly publicized this incident, albeit for the obvious reason it was a propaganda and ideological victory. In contrast, in faraway 1997, a very senior member of their party defected to South Korea. The North Koreans admitted it, but they called him a traitor and tried to assassinate him. He later died of natural causes.

Now, if one commits an act of treason, then a government can and will take one's citizenship.

I disagree.

People will forget. Millions and millions of Brazilians are working hard, long hours daily to make ends meet. Many won't care at all that some 20something soccer player who is making millions and who hasn't lived in Brazil for many years opted to play for another national team. I personally believe that we Brazilians who live outside often think Brazilians in Brazil care about soccer as we do. Many frankly couldn't care less, other than during 30 days every 4 years. With the problems and social issues Brazilians face every day, Diego Costa's "defection" is as relevant to their daily lives as an arrest of a petty criminal in Pirassununga is to any Brazilian immigrant in the USA or in Canada.

Were Costa to score a winning goal against us, sure, he'll be maligned. Outside that, nobody will care. Nobody remembers other Brazilians who played for other teams. Many probably never heard of him. It's not like we lost Ronaldo or Zico to Spain. Costa is great, but he's not a hall-of-fame type.

 

as much as I think Diego Costa´s Spain choice was CYNICAL and ethically wrong, because there are several clues that point he DOES NOT feel spaniard nor he wants to live in Spain as a Spaniard (and imho, you should play for NATIONAL TEAMS that you really identify with the country, to the point of wanting to live and die there), this CBF move is pathetic, but expected, considering Marin is a hardcore military dictatorship supporter, one of the "Brasil, ame-o ou deixe-o" (Brazil, love it or leave it) types...

 

do those governments have to turn those incidents public for them to be known?? Western media would surely report on such incidents, and therefore, we would have links

ANYWAY, even the USA does revoke citizenship to natural born citizens in some cases:
"Americans who live in foreign countries and become members of other governments have, in some instances, been stripped of citizenship, although there have been court cases where decisions regarding citizenship have been reversed."

Also, it seems that americans who have dual citizenship and JOIN THE ARMY of another country also lose their citizenship.

So, of the US can revoke citizenship of its natural born citizens, probably quite a few european countries may also do it, probably always in extreme cases...

 

https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/lipe-fernandes-in-brazil.1998767/

 

Here's an interesting one: Marcos Lopes (Man City, Criado pelo Benfica)

http://www.zerozero.pt/noticia.php?id=133218