Benfica - Champions League still possible, Guimaraes may go in directly...

Discussion in 'Portugal: Clubs' started by quinas1139, May 14, 2008.

  1. ChopSoccerDude New Member

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    ... for fear that if he would appeal that decision the CD would turn and give Porto a harsher penalty, Ex: they can change their decision to having Porto be deducted 6 points to start in the next season. :rolleyes:

    Don't think PDC ever sleeps, he has a reason for doing things the way he does; the CD of the League has a history of aggravating the original decision as it has happened in the past when Porto sought appeals on them. Just check the recent history (going back 3 years or so) of the CD decisions on matters pertaining to Porto...
          
  2. quinas1139 New Member

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    He's not worried about being deducted 6 points next season. He just said yesterday that if Benfica had gotten Eriksson that Porto would only win by 10 points instead of 20....so take 6 more away and you still win by 4.

    PDC is acting like a guilty person would, you have to admit. If you can't admit that then your putting your team before your own personal character.
  3. Benfica_fan Member

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    I'm guessing UEFA will probably look into the situation. I don't think anything will happen to Porto domestically, but if UEFA feels that Porto did break the rule that was aforementioned in this thread, they could penalize them by prohibiting them to participate in UEFA competitions next season.

    I guess that's the risk Porto ran by not appealing. Had UEFA gotten involved after a Porto appeal, the risk could have been a demotion, and maybe in the eyes of PDC, one year without Europe is better then running the risk of being relegated.
  4. ChopSoccerDude New Member

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    again, Porto have their hands tied, i.e. they can't do absolutely anything about it otherwise they risk getting demoted... PDC on the other hand is rightfully appealing the decision because obviously he doesn't run the risk of being demoted to, say a "ROUPEIRO" :D
  5. dilmo22 New Member

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    Which brand of cookies did Augusto Duarte eat at Pinto da Costa’s house two days before a game? (wait, are you saying it didn’t happen after they both admitted it? hahaha)

    Which type of “fruta” was Pinto da Costa giving to “J(acinto) P(aixão)”?
    Plus “café”, “leite”, “café com leite”, boy is he generous...

    I mean, the guy is just feeding the poor here, and they just happen to be refs, what’s wrong with that?
    Come on! It’s like freaking Robin Wood and shit! Know what I’m saying? :cool:

    Don’t mind things like Rules… and…. the LAW.
    Even when acts are not civil crimes, but sportive… hence the different ruling possibility coming out of both instances. (Is it dumbed down enough?)


    If you ask me, I honestly think this is all a big scheme perpetrated by the Lisbon clubs (but Benfica more in the form of former Sporting President Dias da Cunha) to attack FC Porto and its Pope for his good deeds.



    Like, they can't win in the field so they resort to bride the ref... I mean ensure the Law, Fair Play and ethics or some shit like that...
  6. ChopSoccerDude New Member

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    Everyone knows they did not deny being at PDC's house, now what they deny is Carolina Salgado's 3rd version of her story that eventually changed to her seeing an envelope with 3,000 Euros handed over to Augusto Duarte. First she admitted there was no exchange of an envelope with money, then she claimed she "thinks" she saw an envelope with money and by the time Maria Jose Morgado (do you know her??? :cool:) took over the investigation she claimed she actually saw the envelope with $3K Euros. So, and here I go beating on a dead horse again, the CD used her testimony as their proof that there was corruption (which BTW is a mute point also because there was NOTHING whatsoever in the BeiraMar-Porto game).
  7. dilmo22 New Member

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    DUDE!
    “Apito Dourado” is civil, and is still in the courts!

    This was “Apito Final” and is a sportive ruling by the Conselho Disciplinar da Liga, to which Pinto da Costa decided not to appeal, meaning he accepted the punishment like the guilty defenceless person he is!

    Now there are prerequisites to access the European competitions (the damn rules attacking FC Porto again!!!111):

    "1.04 To be eligible to participate in the competition, a club must fulfil the following criteria:

    d) it must not be or have been involved in any activity aimed at arranging or
    influencing the outcome of a match at national or international level;"




    Now lets wait and see which is UEFA’s interpretation of this rule.
  8. mantorras77 Member

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    Great thread guys! I would like to know why did Leiria (I know they were on their way down anyways) and Boavista get punished down to Div 2 and Porto didn't??? The charges were all the same. What was the difference?
  9. quinas1139 New Member

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    take a look at page 1 of this thread.
  10. ChopSoccerDude New Member

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    DILDO, I'm gonna stop beating on a dead horse, or is it a dumbass??!!
  11. dilmo22 New Member

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    Hahaha, hey!
    To pledge guilty and runaway is a PDC trademark now! :D

    How honourable!
  12. dilmo22 New Member

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  13. lisandro Member

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    ya i hear you now

    im still dissapointed that porto wont represent portugal in CL
    they were our best team by far this year

    and let me tell you guys somthing
    as a portista
    the punishemnet of not being in the CL next season is devestating to all our people wheter you like porto or not
    porto was our best chance next season

    oh well

    thank you again quinas
  14. dilmo22 New Member

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    The decision will only be made after 2 of June, by UEFA.

    If the regulations made weren’t faulty, CL would be the least of your concerns...



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  15. quinas1139 New Member

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    Relax man, its not a sure thing yet...
  16. quinas1139 New Member

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    http://www.maisfutebol.iol.pt/noticia.php?id=954170&div_id=1304

    Apito: Platini fala do F.C. Porto e deixa decisão para mais tarde
  17. Portugalplayer New Member

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    Porto not challanging the 6 points is what's going to kill them! They will not go to the Champions League because UEFA wánt's to make an example of someone.
  18. dilmo22 New Member

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    Pretty sure FC Porto won't play in European competitions next year. :D
  19. quinas1139 New Member

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    Well its definitely not looking good for them. But I still don't think they should be left out of the C.L. I think the proper punishment would be to ban PDC from futebol.
  20. GoodDead Moderator

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    Disgusting.

    Lets add 3 stars to a Jersey to celebrate what we used to be, lets demand UEFA stop the draw for the CL because we want to be in for something that may or may not of happened years ago for a measly 6 points. Good thing the media and officials are all Benfica supporters. I've seen Braga beat Porto/Sporting, Ive seen Porto/Sporting beat Braga all games were legit. Not once have I seen a Braga game that we won or lost vs Benfica without the refs working us over. And the same can be true for tons of SLB games. Where is their investigation? Thats right the investigators all have their SLB kit socio packs.

    What a sham.
  21. Benfica_fan Member

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    Yea, and I've seen Benfica get screwed over plenty of times also.

    The best thing UEFA could do is suspend all Portuguese clubs from participating in Europe then. One year for everyone (two for Benfica because we all know they are the main problem with all that's wrong with Portuguese soccer :rolleyes:).

    The investigators might all be Benfiquistas, but the one's who lay down the law definitely gave the likes of Porto a pass. The six point deduction was a joke, and the six point deduction at the end of the season was an even bigger joke. At the very least, it should have been for next season.

    As far as I'm concerned, Benfica doesn't deserve to be in the CL. In fact, if Porto had lost their spot, it should have gone to another club outside of Portugal.
  22. ThespecialoneJM New Member

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    Why do you bring up the 3 stars when it has nothing to do with the topic? Are you that desperate for an internet flame war? You're like the typical anti-Benfica fan, its starting to get Pathetic. Not worth my time.
  23. dilmo22 New Member

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    Stop your bullshit.
    Like FCPorto, Benfica and Guimarães have the right to appeal the decision. Discusting is to cheat, you fool.


    Why do you even care about the stupid 3 stars in the first place?

    So?

    http://web3.cmvm.pt/sdi2004/emitentes/docs/FR19287.pdf
    Can you read? Good.

    :'( bwaaahaa

    How ********ing ridiculous.
  24. frankieg73 Member

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    This may not be cheating in and of itself, but refs and clubs (players, officials, etc.) should not associate with each other in any way on or off the pitch because stuff like this looks like 'I'll do you a favour in exchange for a favour' and is worthy of punishment. But regardless of that...

    The above is the first explanation I have read about the alleged match-fixing of either Porto or Boavista. Is it accurate? What exactly is Boavista accused of? Why does Boavista get relegated while Porto receives virtually no punishment? Does anyone honestly believe that possibly driving Boavista to extinction is good for the league? (No jackass comments, please. Unbiased, honest opinions only.)
  25. Benfica_fan Member

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    No, I believe Boavista is very important to Portuguese soccer. It was good for the league when they won the championship, and it was even better when they had a strong run in the UEFA Cup. I don't understand why Boavista's punishment is much more harsher than Porto's. From what I heard, Boavista threatened referee's as well, hence the harsher punishment. If I was a fan of Boavista, I would be upset about this decision.

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