Barca - Chelsea 2nd leg [R]

Back to what matters:

overall thoughts on Cakir? I was only able to see the second half, so missed the Terry send-off. From what I saw, the game seemed relatively well managed from a ref's point of view. I was glad to see him get this assignment and it appears he did his job well.

Other views?

 

I think he did a good job overall, but what is fascinating is that I don't think he made either of the two biggest decisions in the match, the Terry red and the PK against Drogba (which I think was a poor decision, but with the PK missed this is escaping notice).

I also thought he got pressured by the crowd into giving Cech a yellow for timewasting when he did (but there was 0% chance of Cech making it through that second half without picking one up).

 

Your problem is not my problem. I couldnt care less what your problem is.

And I most certainly discussed the referee in my very first post. If anybody steered the discussion the wrong way, its you. If you dont want to hear my opinion then restrain yourself from reading my posts, let alone replying to me. Seems like your nerves are a little off.

 

LOL a yellow card? What ever happened to free speech?
Some sensitive people in here. Guess I gotta go so I dont cause anyone a heart attack

 

I disagree it was time wasting and he was trying to stop it early so the game didn't dissolve into a farce. I like referees who spot these things early and stop it, sometimes they look strict from the outside, but in the players minds they are strong.

 

The first amendment doesn't apply to private businesses or private property. "Free speech" only exists out in public, in your house, and in government institutions (public schools, govn't buildings...)

And I thought the match was well done; well managed.

 

Really good game from Cakir, I thought. He did miss a couple of things, however:

Terry deserved his red (what a stupid move on his part), but Sanchez also deserved a yellow for that awful rolling around. Pretty terrible acting there.

The penalty was a a pretty blatant dive. Although it is hard to blame Cakir for giving it, it's really too bad that they couldn't have spotted the cheating there.

Why wasn't Messi sent off for his instance of VC? Cakir clearly saw it and elected not to punish it.

Although this has nothing to do with Cakir, it is also really a shame that a player who collected a yellow for dissent can miss the final for that. They knew the rules going in and should have been more careful, so they have nobody but themselves to blame. But that is a pretty harsh rule. It might be better if it were adjusted such that only yellows for contact (or intention to make contact) with an opponent were counted toward the accumulation.

 

I'm sorry in regards to the penalty incident, but are people watching the same thing I am? It's a clear foul. Fabregas plays the ball behind Drogba and Drogba takes him out. What is the complaint? Good Fabregas have stayed up possible, but it's not like Drogba laid a hand on his back and then Fabregas fell over.

I think some of us on this forum want players to be over the top honest. It's admirable, but it is asking a little to much. Yeah, I don't like guys going to ground easy as much as the next. But if Fabregas tries to stay on his feet and stumbles and puts in a poor cross then Drogba won and I don't know about you, but I like attacking to prevail over defending.

Same thing with the Terry incident. Yeah, Sanchez could have done without the rolling around, but if he stays on his feet and does nothing then Terry gets away with a blatant cheap shot and dirty play. Is that really fair? Also giving a yellow to Sanchez there would basically nullify the Terry red card.

I really don't understand the outrage about players missing Finals due to yellow cards. It's no secret. Players know the rules. If you don't want to miss a Final don't pick up yellow cards. It's that simple.

My only complaint in regards to the CL is that the cards don't clear out after the group stages. So you can technically get a caution in the first group game, in the second one and then in the 12th match (semi-final second leg) get a third and miss the Final. That is a little harsh. So they should just wipe the cards clear after the group stage.

 

I have to agree 100% with this. Players who have clearly not been touched or have 'suffered' extremely light fouls have made as much or more of it and not been cautioned. A ref really needs to make sure he/she is completely sure the player is faking it (see the thread where a ref cautions/red cards an unconscious player!!!).

Also, one thing that I haven't seen here is that the ball is no where near Terry when he knees him. He can't possibly claim anything other than intent to injure there, period!

Lastly, nice job keeping this forum on the right track, Mass. We appreciate it.

 

Terry is a malicious player who with intent tried to sneak in a cheap shot by kneeing the Barcelona player in the tailbone. I can tell you if you have ever been hit there it is quite painful and you will drop to the ground. There was no embellishment to that foul.

 

Drogba wasn't breaking up an attack as it happened in midfield. It was a good application of advantage since Barcelona got the ball and quickly pushed to attack. Barcelona knew Drogba was on a caution from the Messi penalty so they wanted a card.

 

The reporter told the player the truth. I feel no sympathy for Ivanovic who is proving himself to be a fine protege of the John Terry school of thuggery and misconduct. It was telling that Czech restrained Terry from adding further to his misconduct. Classy move by Petr.

To fathom the level of denial Terry lives in, it was reported at halftime that Terry claimed to the reported that the Barcelona player backed into him. My God does he not have any shame. Could he for once be a man and accept the fact he was caught be wanker. Seriously, several players make Chelsea a difficult team to like, much less root for.

 

I thought he did an excellent job. He was very fair. The red card of Terry speaks volumes on the abilities of the assistant to focus on not only offside, but to see the misconduct.

 

Remember when you agreed to the Terms of Service when you first registered?
There went your "free speech".

 

So, any idea what Ramires did to get his yellow card?

 

I don't agree there is any clear foul on the PK. Drogba should've known better than to go to ground, but from the replays shown there appeared to be no contact with Fabregas. Fabregas appeared to have pulled off a very well timed dive, a skill which the center should've known is well rehearsed in many a barca attacking player.

I think Terry should've been cautioned for UB, not sent off for VC. Sanchez absolutely embellished and the ref would've only seen the embellishment. You get worse on your average corner kick or set piece. There's no consistency in Terry's getting str8 red and later not sending Messi off for shoving Lampard in the chest with two hands.

I must be in the minority here, but I think the center was in over his head and allowed the crowd or barca players to influence too many of his decisions. Far too many soft cautions were given out to Chelsea players. The caution for Chec was beyond ridiculous.

 

You're holding the whole class back.

 

Ntxsage, you might be a bit biased??

 

BBC live text commentary (scroll past match stats) says it was for dissent.
Could not find another source stating a reason.

 

What about the Fabregas leg hug on lampard right before the Messi incident? That should have been yellow, but nothing was given.

 

What implications are there for OFFINABUS?