Re: Copa America 2011 In reality that 2 years thing appeared in the 90s before that it didn't had a clear period it varied between 2 and 4 years, they should stick to it being played every 4 years.
Re: Copa America 2011 yeah but there were times when they played it EVERY year. so in reality there really never has been a steady date or time frame. Every four years is hard on the soul andres. yo no quiero esperar tanto tiempo! lol jajajaja
Re: Copa America 2011 Yo tampoco puedo esperar, even less knowing that the next one will be here. Still i think the 4 years period would be the most convinent, plus gives more time for the hosts to have everything ready, because we know who's next and such. Meanwhile we could think which and how many cities of Argentina will be taking part in the Copa América, here my thoughts First with the existing ones. 1- Monumental, Buenos Aires. Obvious 2- Cordoba. A must. 3- Mendoza's. Another must. 4- Minella, Mar del Plata. Another must. 5- Gigante, Rosario. A good pick. 6- La Plata's. Well it's there let it be used now. Now with the ones that could do with a expansion. 7- Tucumán. The place is a must expanding 2 of the main ones could do, or bring a brand new one. They have been out of this stuff already they won't let it go away so easy again. 8- Jujuy or Salta. Would need an expansion or also a brand new stadium but could do. 9- Well this is up for grabs, maybe it could be a place in the south, this more likely would require a brand new stadium since the existing ones are small. I think the possible places could be, Bahia Blanca, Comodoro Rivadavia, Trelew, Viedma or Bariloche, i know some of those may sound a bit unrealistic.
Re: Copa America 2011 Now we are talking. Considering the attendance issues for foreign teams in Buenos Aires I think that hosting Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia or Paraguay in Salta is a no brainer. Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil in Baires. Bolivia, Peru or Chile in Mendoza. Everyone else just sprinkle them around. Spread the love. That way you can open up the tournament and not concentrate it just in Buenos Aires. Also this might raise the level of attendance usually associated with foreign teams in Argentina.
Re: Copa America 2011 I am from Costa Rica so forgive me if I keep popping up here. Argentina are my favorite team (outside my own nation of course). This next Copa America should use a format in the mix of the World Cup in Argentina '78 and Italy '90. I think the format I will present will compensate the issues of attendance and having the tournament spread out. I use the stadiums that were in service for Argentina '78. But the idea from Italy '90 should be implemented. That idea is that the seeded team will stay in one stadium while the other 3 would use another one and switch out playing the seeded team. The two left will play in their designated stadium. Here it is: Stadiums Estadio Monumental, Buenos Aires = Argentina Estadio Gigante de Arroyito, Rosario = Bolivia, Ecuador, Costa Rica Estadio José María Minella, Mar del Plata = Brasil Estadio José Amalfitani, Buenos Aires = Peru, Colombia, Venezuela Estadio Chateau Carreras, Cordoba = Uruguay Estadio Malvinas Argentinas, Mendoza = Chile, Paraguay, Mexico With this, it would maximize attendance. Argentina in Buenos Aires is a no brainer, Bolivians, Ecuadorians, and Costa Ricans all in Rosario with a set of fans from one of these teams to go to Buenos Aires, and the same thing with the other two groups. First Round Group A Argentina vs Bolivia - Estadio Monumental, Buenos Aires Ecuador vs Costa Rica - Estadio Gigante de Arroyito, Rosario Argentina vs Ecuador - Estadio Monumental, Buenos Aires Costa Rica vs Bolivia - Estadio Gigante de Arroyito, Rosario Argentina vs Costa Rica - Estadio Monumental, Buenos Aires Bolivia vs Ecuador - Estadio Gigante de Arroyito, Rosario Group B Brazil vs Peru - Estadio José María Minella, Mar del Plata Colombia vs Venezuela - Estadio José Amalfitani, Buenos Aires Brazil vs Colombia - Estadio José María Minella, Mar del Plata Venezuela vs Peru - Estadio José Amalfitani, Buenos Aires Brazil vs Venezuela - Estadio José María Minella, Mar del Plata Peru vs Colombia - Estadio José Amalfitani, Buenos Aires Group C Uruguay vs Chile - Estadio Chateau Carreras, Cordoba Paraguay vs Mexico - Estadio Malvinas Argentinas, Mendoza Uruguay vs Paraguay - Estadio Chateau Carreras, Cordoba Mexico vs Chile - Estadio Malvinas Argentinas, Mendoza Uruguay vs Mexico - Estadio Chateau Carreras, Cordoba Chile vs Paraguay - Estadio Malvinas Argentinas, Mendoza Quater-finals A1 vs 2nd best 3rd - Estadio Monumental, Buenos Aires C1 vs B2 - Estadio Chateau Carreras, Cordoba B1 vs 1st best 3rd - Estadio José María Minella, Mar del Plata A2 vs C2 - Estadio Gigante de Arroyito, Rosario Semi-finals QF1 vs QF2 - Estadio Monumental, Buenos Aires QF3 vs QF4 - Estadio José María Minella, Mar del Plata 3rd place match SFL1 vs SFL2 - Estadio José María Minella, Mar del Plata Final SFW1 vs SFW2 - Estadio Monumental, Buenos Aires Another thing: The mascot? Who remembers Gauchito? Argentina should make a futuristic version of Gauchito and have it as the mascot.
Re: Copa America 2011 I don´t doubt that CONCACAF nations such as the USA and Mexico could put on great Copa Americas, possibly better than anything in South America(the two of them put on three of the best World Cups in history,) but this is a South American cup, and its really been messed around with enough(between ¨guests¨ from the CONCACAF and Asia, FIFA dictating how often it should be hosted, and at what altitude the games should be played at.) Inviting guests that often send third-rate teams is one thing, but the Cup should remain in South America. Just the idea of hosting the European Championships in Mexico or the US would be laughable, as would inviting teams from the other side of the world. While this is convenient, with a cluttered international calender, this has very little to do with FIFA making things easier for CONMEBOL, and more to do with European Clubs whining about having to release their players for what they consider a second-rate tournament.
Re: Copa America 2011 Yes you hit the nail on the head. Its time to stop the hegemony that Europe has over soccer. It's time for South America to stand up to Europe AND FIFA. Its getting to the point where they are adjusting our WCQ calendar to suit their teams needs. That is where we really should draw a line. Is it our fault that they dont produce the quality players that South America does? If they want less problems with calendars and such then they should invest more money on developing quality players. I think that is the true key to their solution.
Re: Copa America 2011 This is like a long-live story...South America had the chance to stand up to FIFA and UEFA when Maradona was around. But he was like a General with no army. Could you imagine what would happened if Argentina did win 1990? Two three-time World Champions in South America compared to one in Europe? Do you think there would be that many foreigners in Europe right now if out of the top 3 nations in the World there were two South Americans? If Argentina would have won in 1990 and Brazil in 1966, everyone would be coming to South America to play. Unfortunetely, Brazil sold themselves to the devil knowing what the Europeans did to them in England '66 while Argentina was plainly robbed. That is why I am sick of hearing everyone complain about this and that. When it was time to act, everyone sided with the Europeans for money, fame, and favors. That especially holds true with Brazil and Pele and that is why I don't like him. He is a complete sell-out. While he was kissing FIFA's ass, Maradona was telling FIFA to kiss his. Unfortunetely, to stop the part of the problem right now, you would have to convince South Americans to stay and play in South American leagues. While a good portion of them might do it for pride, I can see the good 30% (ie Brazil) going there for money.
Re: Copa America 2011 He tried but then everyone left him out in the cold. Considering that you brought this topic up, lets take a closer look at 1990 and 2006. In 1990 the apparent winner was supposed to be Italy. Argentina knocked them out of the box (Maradona) and went on to the Finals. Then they were robbed by Codesal and Germany took the crown. Now in 2006, let's look at the same players. Italy scraping by, virtually every game. Argentina ON FIRE and stopped by GERMANY (the home team). Also you have to consider that Abbondanzieri leaving the game injured was rather suspicious. Italy goes on to the finals and WINS, with an Argentine as referee. So now we have come FULL circle. Italy was given back the title that it was denied by Argentina in 1990. Germany gave up their shot at the crown for the one that they took in 1990 as well. Now Argentina will be allowed to play again to win. We will finally be allowed to play for real. Granted the Grondona has to leave AFA because hes paying back favor to Havelange. Hence the reason why Argentina has been losing so many Copa Americas and Brazil has been winning them. Another point of interest. Why do you think that Bielsa left the National Team? He left because he was told that he wouldnt be allowed to win the WC. That's why he went into seclusion for so long. Just a couple of point to ponder. That is why I am sick of hearing everyone complain about this and that. When it was time to act, everyone sided with the Europeans for money, fame, and favors. That especially holds true with Brazil and Pele and that is why I don't like him. He is a complete sell-out. While he was kissing FIFA's ass, Maradona was telling FIFA to kiss his. Unfortunetely, to stop the part of the problem right now, you would have to convince South Americans to stay and play in South American leagues. While a good portion of them might do it for pride, I can see the good 30% (ie Brazil) going there for money.[/quote]
Re: Copa America 2011 ^^Conspiracy nut, huh? Everyone out to get poor Argentina. FIFA and Brazil are such meanies.
Re: Copa America 2011 It is amazing that Brazilians have allowed themselves to get ********ed over by the Europeans as it has been proved in history... I used to respect Brazil but now...
Re: Copa America 2011 The silverware shows that Brazil holds it's own. As far as respect goes, when was the "Brazil allowed themselves to get ******ed over by the Europeans" situation any different. Argentina is the same (as well as most of South America).
Re: Copa America 2011 You realized however that France bought that World Cup (England 66' anyone). If Ronaldo had been truely match-fit, Brazil would have won. Let's just say they made sure he counldn't play to the best (or even close) to his ability. Did I also mention that Brazil was paid by the French government to let France win. The same conspiracy crap can be used against you as well.
Re: Copa America 2011 All I have read are anti-Argentina conspiracy rants (how FIFA is out to get them).
Re: Copa America 2011 I believe its more of a Europe vs South America type thing. Brazil gets off a little because of the work Havelange did in the past and the favors that Europe has had to pay off. Once Grondona leaves we will also enjoy the fruits of all that corruption as well. Being that Grondona and Havelange are basically business partners.
Re: Copa America 2011 Sadly, as we all know, South America has a history of being Europe's whore, spreading it's legs so Europe can have it's pleasure by taking the best players. That's my analogy
Re: Copa America 2011 More like European suppression and exploitation has been the reason for South America's disgrace and hardship.
Re: Copa America 2011 But not money. If we were equal in money and power then WC would favor SA by a WIDE margin.
Re: Copa America 2011 Brazil(and the rest of Latin America) have been on the receiving end of it too. The only difference here is the greatest Brazilian bending over to accomodate FIFA and the greatest Argentine giving them the finger.
Re: Copa America 2011 Was that the same Argentine who turned into a fat junkie (yes I had to go there).
