Among football national teams, yes. But have you heard about the 60s Boston Celtics? They got lucky 8 times in a row. Now that is what I called lucky - really fitting logo too!
How does that work? There was onlyt one player who played in both 58 and 70. The rest of the squad was totally different, so cannot be looked at as a continuation of the same team.
I get your drift with only Pele being the lynchpin. It was a generational swap, but for that period of time Brasil dominated like no other nation before or after.
Best as in the most technically skillful - quite possibly, best as in best for entartainment definately not! Because of this my vote goes to the Brazilian team of 70.
Spain won 3 international trophies but against whom? Which all-time great team did they beat? Forget team, which all-time great player did they play against? Only Cristiano Ronaldo, who wouldn’t even feature in the top 50 in an all-time list. In contrast, Pele and Brazil played (and won) against Puskas, Beckenbauer, Eusebio, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Gerd Muller, Kopa, Facchetti, Breitner, Neeskens, Rensenbrink, Riva, Rivera, Yashin, Maier, Banks and a host of other all timers. Just look at the quality of Spain’s opponents. Which of these Italian players is even worthy of tying Maldini, Baresi, Bergomi, Sceria, Facchetti, or Gentile’s shoe laces? Or, that of Baggio, Riva, Rivera? The Europeans don’t want to acknowledge Neymar’s exploits because he apparently plays in a league where the quality of opposition is not up to the mark. But when it comes to Spain, the quality of opposition doesn’t matter. Talk about double standards.
In reality, this Spanish team is a very good team and is of the same standard as the brilliant Euro Cup winning Danish team from the late 80s and early 90s (particularly the 86 team who used to play a similar attacking game like the Spaniards)…nothing more nothing less. The Danes lost to the Spaniards in 1986 but that was just one bad day in the office, like this Spain had aginst the US in the 2009 Confed Cup semi finals. Spain has no one to match Michael Laudrup but the Spanish players can compete with the other “Danish Dynamites” such as Morten Olsen, Brian Laudrup, Preben Elkjaer, Peter Schmeichel etc.
Dumb argument, because all those teams you listed under "Euros" also participate in the World Cup. Anyway, there is no need to debate between WC and Euro because Spain won both, so please don't steer this thread off-topic with nonsense. This Spain is certainly the most accomplished team of all time. Not only the first team to successfully defend a Euro title, but became the first Euro team to win a World Cup outside Europe. They accomplished more than 1970s Germany and 1998-2000 France despite not having home-advantage. So really there isn't much of an argument if we are talking about a 5-year stretch. Once you start stretching it to 10-12 year time periods, sure, Brazil had some great runs. But then we are talking about 2 different teams, at least. So I think this has to be considered the best team of all-time.
1966 WC Final ( I am not even talking about the cheat referee here) 1970 Semi-Final 1972 Euro 1974 World Cup 1976 Euro Final You are clearly a nut job.
holland had the easiest wc 1974 qualifer draw ,with iceland,norway and belgium...holland didnt score in belgium (0:0) and didnt score at home against belgium(0:0)...not only holland didnt score at home against belgium..belgium was robbed a good goal in the final 2 minutes (not offside, minimum 1 meter oneside)and belgium was robbed the wc 1974 tournament....germany won the ec semifinal 1972 against belgium in belgium... and in the final wc 1974, gerd müller was denid a good goal , a miserable offside call..( he was 2 meters onside)....germany was given an undeserved penalty and was denid a penalty...(its evened out)...however germany had 2 goals from müller.....and the first penalty for holland wasnt a clear penalty, a debateble call for the reason it was close to the penalty line...imagine (hypothetic)argentina plays at home a wc final against germany and a brasilian referee in minute 1 of the game call such a close penalty against argentina....the uproar never ends....or do you disagree??. and it becomes better...the dutchs have reached the semfinal of the 1976 eurocampionship pointing out this holland is a better team than 1974....cssr beat holland with 3:1, cssr player ondrus scoring a wonderful volley owngoal...means, holland didnt score a single goal in this game....germany at least had a memorable final against cssr loosing in penaltyshootout after extratime.., the cssr goalkeeper man of the match...
even dutch player ari haan pointed out germany won 3:1....wondering olso why there was no reaction from the crowd and the german players after the offsideside call.....(good possible for the reason germany had allready a 2:1 lead in this moment...) the offiziel fifa 1974 documentary -heads of glory-mentiond gerd müller wrongfully recalled goal..but decades later the current offiziell fifa gamereport of this final didnt mention this action and didnt mention the action where germany was denid a penalty.....lol....only pointing out hölzenbein is tumbled over his leg (the penalty against holland)..
Pretty biased point of view. Holland didn't have the easier qualifying draw, Germany did. Because they qualified automatically. How is being grouped with the semifinalists of the previous Euro an easy draw? Want to talk about tough groups though? - how about Holland, E Germany, Brazil and Argentina. So you're saying it shouldn't have been called because Germany was at home? How much of an advantage do you want them to have? It sure looked like a penalty. Close to the edge, but a cynical foul which probably denied a great goal scoring chance. Both matches went to extra-time.
His point was obviously that Holland, considered to be one of the greatest teams at the time, struggled to qualify. Plus they didn't win the next Euros with a similar team. In that case, it's not so shocking that they didn't win the World Cup, Germany having home advantage or not. They were great, but not invincible. And it's sad how the dutch, purveyors of conspiracy stories that place them at a disadvantage, don't recognize the incorrectly voided goals that got them to the WC in the first place and kept the score in the final close. In the end, it's the dutch's own fault that they did not achieve the destiny that they thought (and still think) they deserved.
germany never had problems in wc qualifers...holland for sure.... the bias comes from you... i said it was a close call so obviously the germans didnt got a homecall..... ignoring the wrongfully recalled goal and the denid penalty?? you dont have seen this game??... so obviously germany had the advantage of the host but the worst of the calls...how is this longer a advantage?? so host argentina 1978 didnt have qualifers olso....and other hosts too.....so argentina won only against holland 1978 with homeadvantage ..your logic...and needed olso extratime at home in final...the germans not....and had worster results than germany 1974......good to knows your logic for the next debatte..... poland beat both argentina and brasil...so did holland ..germany has beaten poland and holland and sweden drew holland...germany has beaten sweden 4:2..yugoslavia was ranked above brasil undefeated ...germany comfortably beat yugoslavia ...the only game west germany did loose was against the own brothers in a game both teams was allready qualified... here are teams with the best records 1974 germany--6 wins ,1 defeat poland-6 wins ,1 defeat holland 5 wins,1 defeat ,1 draw... brasil 3 wins,2 defeats,2 draws argentina....1 win (against cannonenfooder team zaire),3 defeats, 2 draws... 1972 germany beat host belgium 2:1.......so why your well beloved holland team need a referee at home for a drew at home and cant beat belgium away?? 1976 yugoslavia-germany 2:4 cssr-holland 3:1 germany -cssr 2:2 final, cssr winning penaltyshoot out.... yugoslavia-holland 2:3 third place match
Nice exaggerating. I didn't say they only win because of home advantage. I said it helps a lot. You only have to look at the number of home teams that have won the world cup in the past. What is it... like 6? Not to mention all the crappy hosts like South Africa, Korea, USA, Chile, Sweden who suddenly did amazing when they played at home. Coincidence? I think not. Also your post assumes that the host team in 1974 and 1978 would reach the final if they didn't have home advantage. Home advantage helps you all through the tournament. Maybe West Germany still beats Holland in 1974 without home advantage. Or maybe they lose. Or maybe they don't even reach the final. All very possible scenarios, but we'll never know what would have happened. I just know that winning 3 straight tournaments on foreign soil is significantly more impressive than winning 1 at home, 1 on foreign and losing one final.
It was very tough, but the other second-round group, West Germany, Poland, Yugoslavia and Sweden, was just as good, maybe better. And I say that as a Holland fan. Poland, Yugoslavia and Sweden all were very strong teams back then, certainly better than East Germany, possibly better than Argentina, maybe even better than Brazil (which was not the Brazil of other years).
ELO ratings before the WC started: Brazil - #1 Argentina - #8 East Germany - #7 Sweden - #13 Poland - #5 Yugoslavia - #7 Plus they cheated in the Poland game.
The german propaganda is very strong within the corporate media but is isn't clear whether it was an offside goal in the first place. Belgium did not protest and some of their players thought it was offside. Besides, they played very defensive in both games. Why? Because their coach Goethals called "Holland individually the best team on the planet." It resulted in a defensive game with many fouls. And do not talk about euro76, with clear German cheating (Hoeness kicking a Czechian player on his head, why do we never hear this while the media is still persecuting Nigel de Jong) and favoritism while the Dutch were stolen by the referee. They are always robbed by the referee, such as in 1994, 1998 and 2010.
You do not need home advantage if you have Howard Webb who adds 5 minutes of extra time against Switzerland.
And this is because of the many tricks your country used. Everything was geared to letting Germany win that world cup. From hotel tricks to forged stories in the newspapers. And as bonus their police also sent assistant coaches back home.