Andy Carroll

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by dcc134, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. drobny23

    drobny23 Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    LOL. Hey, he can stand there and seizure in slow motion as long as he eludes someone and releases a shot. Nice to see that he isn't neutered with the ball on the deck. And at least he didn't look like a pile of gyrating toothpicks ala Crouch.
     
  2. ScholesyLFC

    ScholesyLFC Member+

    Aug 23, 2005
    Holladay, Utah
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I am just really hoping that he maintains this turnaround of effort, I enjoyed watching him hustle on Saturday and I think some of you are right about the Newcastle experience, it was just a big fat reality check for him.
     
  3. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    We won't find out until next year on whether he'll work for us or not. He's certainly showed a renewed confidence these past few games that makes me think he'll do well.
    Seems to me the pressure got to him. The pressure of the big money. The pressure to score and dominate in the air. It affected the way he played and made it seem like he was lazy and didn't care. Simptoms of depression. Steel elbow they used to call it in tennis.
    I was going to say I'm looking forward to next season but then I was really excited about our next season this time last year.
     
  4. AndSomeAreAngels

    Jun 7, 2003
    Brokelyn
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's my take - Andy grew up a diehard Geordie, a big lad who could bulldoze his way through defenders. He made it all the way to the Newcastle first team, an achievement beyond his wildest dreams. He never wanted anything more than to be the local town hero, a guy who was loved in his hometown and would never have to pay for a pint again.

    Suddenly he was hyped as the future of England's attack and became the eighth most expensive transfer in the world. He never wanted that. He's a simple boy with simple goals. His game is rather simple too. He moves to a giant club, has a huge spotlight and target on his back. He's labeled a traitor by his own club, when he never wanted to leave in the first place. He struggles for awhile and isn't enjoying his football anymore, a far cry from when he was bashing through defenders and heading the ball into the net with ease.

    These are called growing pains. He lost his confidence and I truly think at one point he - subconciously or not - was angling for a move back to the Tyneside. Slowly but surely he's come to realize that he's destined for bigger things, whether he wants it or not. Luckily we have Kenny in charge, the perfect man to help Andy in this rather difficult transition, and it's starting to show that he can handle the big stage.

    By all accounts Carroll is a guy who likes to have fun. The game isn't fun when your team is struggling, you're put under immense pressure, and you have Stewart effing Downing running down the wing. Suarez is a fun guy to play with, Kenny is a fun guy to play for, and Andy is looking like he's having fun. He's gonna work out. He's still very young with loads of potential. He's scoring goals, running his socks off, and winning everything in the air.

    I think he's a pretty decent candidate for Engerland's Euro squad, and while I personally don't know if I want him there, it might be good for his confidence. I expect big things out of him next year and really think he'll come good.
     
  5. 5_EUROPEAN_CUPS

    Mar 19, 2005
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He's clearly regained fitness, his touch and his work rate are massive indicators of the player we were looking to buy and now maybe with a fresh season, a new manager and I believe as importantly the Newcastle fans ridiculing him he can go on to be the player we hoped he would be.

    We need an attacking minded manager like AVB to bring the best out of our most expensive signings. I can only believe that Suarez and Carroll would love playing in an AVB type 4-3-3.
     
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  6. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's exactly why we can't get Rafa and his defensive structure and tactics with Suarez and Carroll in the team.
     
  7. 5_EUROPEAN_CUPS

    Mar 19, 2005
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I agree totally. Rafa has a habit of isolating his strikers as he did with Torres and Carroll is certainly never going to be able to score the goals Torres did.

    Andy Carroll interestingly for me is the biggest nod to Martinez getting the job while Suarez likewise for AVB. Martinez took a team of hoofers that were known for their strength and stamina above any kind of footballing prowess and turned them into a FOOTBALL TEAM.
     
  8. idreamofpikas

    idreamofpikas Member+

    May 22, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    I'm not Rafa's biggest fan but its a bit silly to say that he cant adapt to the players we have. If anything his first three years at Liverpool and Valencia show that he is fantastic at taking advantage of the resources at his disposal no matter how average the player.
     
  9. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    think anyone at the club has any idea how to figure out which managers would best fit our players?
     
  10. 5_EUROPEAN_CUPS

    Mar 19, 2005
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No one is saying he can't adapt, what I personally am saying is that at his best Rafa is more a manager who gets his reputation from stopping the other side playing. I'd like just for once (it's been a while) to be the team everyone else has to stop!
     
  11. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right - he can get the most out of the resources he's given (2005 CL, 2006 FA Cup). The problems arise when he starts bringing in his own players.
     
  12. AndSomeAreAngels

    Jun 7, 2003
    Brokelyn
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly - Alonso, Mascherano, Reina, Torres, Luis Garcia, and Lucas are/were all useless under Rafa.
     
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  13. idreamofpikas

    idreamofpikas Member+

    May 22, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    And yet despite bringing in these awesome players he still acheived more with the players he inherited in his first two years than the side he built in the last 4. He may have complained about lamps and sofas in Valencia but he worked wonders under those conditions.

    A commanding DOF, whether here or elsewhere, is in Rafa's best interests.
     
  14. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He did a lot of right but I was more thinking of his Aquilani, Jova, Dossena, Voronin etc acquisitions and selling Alonso, Arbeloa and Mascherano.

    Thank you. Someone who actually gets what I was trying to say.
     
  15. liverbird

    liverbird BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 29, 2000
    Mars
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well it is pretty strange to say he did more with less. I really depends on your measure. His next to last team came within 4 points of winning the league. And those late buys and forced sells are really a mixed bag and any clear eyed person would say the constrained view of the two thieves had as much to do with those as Rafa's vision. Alonso, I would lay at his feet with the play for Barry all but driving Alonso out. But he was also the man who spotted Alonso early and bought him. The other two losses were money and culture driven. That would be like saying the Scum should let SARN go because he sold Cvnt Ronaldo and bought Nani.
     
  16. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I came in for Andy Carroll and I got Rafa instead... :eek:
     
  17. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Andy Carroll....!? :)

    Funny though, (not really) Rafa's undoing was reminiscent of KK's. last season. I'm 'fairly' certain that they didn't tell the team to go out and have fun, and give a prize for the most times a playes hit the woodwork.

    "One" of the thing I loved about Rafa, was the way he could change a losing match. In the first half against Juvi at Anfield, for one example. Zanetti was carving a series of new AH's for us down the inside left channel, we were back on desparate defence for most of that half. Second half he moved some players around, sicked Kuyt on Zanetti (Who disappeared) and we took over the match. Another example, on a different level was Istanbul.

    Sometimes Kenny would frustate us all by 'not' changing a game and 'not' using subs.
     
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  18. idreamofpikas

    idreamofpikas Member+

    May 22, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Towards the end he'd lost that ability though. His substitutions became mechanical with no change till the mid 60's and then again 15 minutes later.

    Kenny changed the game at the Emirates bringing on Suarez and Meireles turning a good away point into a fantastic 3 pointer, bringing Kuyt and Adam against United in the FA cup to get the winner or even bringing on Carroll who scored 2 perfectly good goals and changed the pattern of the game against Chelsea in the FA cup final.

    The biggest problem with the two perhaps being unchallenged. Someone should of told Kenny that Downing was playing shit and needed to be dropped while Rafa needed to be convinced that, as good as Masch and Lucas were, a CM partnership of the 2 was not going to win us games.

    As for Carroll I guess none of us know what his future will be now. Will the new manager build the team around him or scrap him immediately to bring in his own finisher.
     
  19. Strikers20

    Strikers20 Member

    May 4, 2011
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    My opinion on Carroll (and Downing and Henderson) is that we could have found better players for similar (or less in the cases of Carroll and Downing).

    I won't judge Henderson too harshly, because I liked some of the things I saw from him.
     
  20. ScholesyLFC

    ScholesyLFC Member+

    Aug 23, 2005
    Holladay, Utah
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Depends if they have gotten to that chapter yet.
     
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  21. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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