AMERICA IS A CONTINENT: Mexico vs U.S.of A. rivalry thread

You are correct in everything you say regarding the term "American" and I agree with you, however at this point "American" has gone the same way as "gay". Most lively or merry people wouldn't want to be called gay, just like most people from American countries (other than USA) wouldn't want to be called American.

First of all.. I went to school in mexico for the first 12 years of my life. Let’s not start the Continent Argument. I agree with the 5 continents theory,.

What I don’t agree with you is that way you continue to stupidly deny that Americans should not be called Americans. They have no choice to be called Americans because there is no way to somehow Conjugate the words UNITED STATES..

Your initial argument states that you hate when Americans say “Im an American” and they are correct. In the English language the term American can mean a person from the united states of America. Now, you are taking the word “American” and translating into Spanish.. they don’t have the same meaning. “Americano” does not = “American”

So how would you describe a person from the continent of the Americas in English?
Also American. But more like the “Im fom THE AMERICAS” (plural)

So.. translation time : YO soy Americano = Im from the Americas NOT I’m American

Not everything can be translated from English to Spanish.

Now, you want to be upset as to WHY they named themselves united stats of America. Go ahead. You think that they are arrogant for taking the name Americas.. knock your self out.

I don’t see anything wrong with it..
They rounded up all of the Colonies and united them. All of the Colonies were in part of the American Continent. So they chose to name it United states of America..

so.... if a yank said to me “yo soy Americano” yes. Technically they are wrong. Just like if they said “ yo vivo en un Apartamento” literal translation aren’t always correct.

I do believe China teaches one America, The Olympic games represents America as one of the rings (created pre-WW2).

Most Latin Americans teach one continent as far as I know, I am not sure about Brazil or Argentina.


By the way this remains me of a joke i read in the economist.

Some Ukrainian guy complains about the then Prime minister. "He promised that he would turn the Ukraine into America, little did we know he meant to say Latin America"

Do not forget that some of the founding fathers did think they (we) would eventually take over all of America.

1812 kind of put an end of that dream.

To me it doesn't matter if people from the US want to call themselves Americans. I think the issue is the ironic ignorance they display when they say things like, "get out of America!". The lack of geographical aptitude that America is a also a continent not just a convenient nickname.

yes although it does sound ignorant.. IT's a little different for them.

we tend to translate the literal term of "america" in to Spanish. that's where we have a problem.

Get out of America = get out of the country of the Untied states of America

we translate it to = "salte de America"

"salte de America" translated is = "get out of the Americas"

If they said "get out of the Americas" then yes.. one ignorant Yank.

hahaha yeah, most people don't know the U.S. tried to invade Canada notice how they never make movies about the war of 1812 and rarely do they depict the u.s.-Mexico war. They just like to tell the story of the alamo, but that's about it.

Ths thread is funny, seems to be made up of a few rational people and a bunch just want to rip on the USA over some silly semantics. If it makes you feel bettter then continue, just realize it makes you look petty and stupid.

dude, no seas pen#$%@# obviously we know what the ignorant gringos are referring to when they say "get out of America" that is the whole point of the discussion, gringos believe The U.S. = America. They do not recognize anyone else as Americas, to them the others are either North Americans or South Americans.

and your theory of the translation is bullshit. The Americas translates to "las Americas", which is a nickname for the continent because of North, Central, and South America. America translates to America.

Don't forget the Caribbean, they are also America.


BTW is Hawaii part of a continent?

I really couldn't care less about your opinion. And is not a matter of making me feel better, its a matter of historical and geographical correctness.

That would include Canada, the US, and, Mexico. Aside from NAFTA and politics, Mexico and the rest of the "south of the border" countries are referred to as Latin America, which is another mistake since that's basically saying Italian American, simply because Spanish and Portuguese predominate and are derivatives of the Latin language. Hispanic is also a pretty badly done label since it would refer to the island of Hispanola or Spain.

I understand why these mistakes occur though. The US does a pretty bad job at the labels; Negro, Black, African American, Indian, Native American, Latino, Hispanic (not white), the last example which usually appears in parenthesis in standardized tests a laughable one considering Spaniards are white. All in all I'm not surprised and laugh at it rather than argue with "Americans" who obviously grew up, where educated, and lived in the US and understandably can be stubborn to believing they have been incorrect all their lives.

in the continental model the U.S. follows, Central America is part of north America, so it would include them as well, although they do recognize Central America as a region or sub-continent, they don't realize North and South America have the same status.

And the term Latin America was coined to differentiate Anglo (England) American nations from Latin(Spain,Portugal) American nations.

The term Hispanic, is also applied to those descendants of Spain and Portugal, because the name for the Iberian Peninsula was Hispania, it has nothing to do with the island that is now Haiti and Dominican Republic.

You can call them Americans if you wish, I called them unitedstatians. The important thing is to debate it and expose it. I bet you may gringo(black or white) kids in this forum were never exposed to this debate until I brought it up.

true, the Caribbean is also a region/subcontinent of the American continent, although, like Central America, it has been grouped into North America by the U.S. continental model.

Hawaii is obviously not part of the continent, and I see where you are going, you've made the argument before that they are Americans, because they are part of the U.S.... but no, they are not real Americans, they are UnitedStatians.

Is there any continent in the world that only includes certain parts of some countries?

Im going to make this simple ....

USA fans hates Mexico NT
Latin America hates Mexico NT

Why??? Because their fans pretty much keep bragging how great they are in the high times meaning winning streaks yet are quiet and confused during the losses and ties.

If you think im just talking crap go to the South American boards and they will tell you or even the Central American boards.

Yes I do respect the Mexican NT but i hate Mexican media, biased Univision, Galavision,Telemundo,Futbol Picante, and Telefutura.... dont get me started with TV Azteca. I also cant stand those lunatic fans that just wont shut up " Yes we know your NT won the Gold Cup but no your NT is not the best in World '


So let the hating comments begin

I fail to see how this is related to continents!

Are you serious? no one thinks we're the best in the world. As far as media, you want to see some serious unprofessional spazing? read Diez.

IDK i just saw Rivalry on the thread thought this was a slugfest between Nads and Mexis ....

Dude Diez is not available in local newstands in the USA if you want to read it you have to go online.

Now if I were to go down the street and pick up a Spanish newspapers chances are im reading a Pro-Mexican edition.

nope... this is where YOU are wrong. let's look up the word AMERICAN in english

— adj
1. of or relating to the United States of America, its inhabitants, or their form of English


now the word americano in spanish

1. adj. Natural de América.


so no. the words American and Americano are not the same.

only when you look up the other meanings.. they can mean the same

americano can mean estadounidense

Americano -dj. estadounidense. Apl. a pers from DICCIONARIO DE LA LENGUA ESPAÑOLA

American -of or relating to the American continent World English Dictionary

sorry drunkie.. not the same.

What was that old saying about history? I think it went like this "History is written by the victors". Thats how it has always been. Not saying its right or wrong, it is just how it is and it will change over time as civilizations rise and fall. Essentially history is just an opinion.

When I go to D.F. (most underated city in the world) people always ask me if I am an American. The same thing happens in Oaxaca, Guadalajara, and Puebla. I know what they mean, they know what I mean when I use that term. That is the way I describe myself, call it poetic license or historically inaccurate, I don't give a flying terd. Maybe a name or description is important to you, but to me it is only the intention of the word that matters. When people start threads titled "funny things gringos say" I don't get offended I laugh. How many BSMX posters would laugh if I started a thread called "Those whacky frijoleros"?

Russia ------> Asia and Europe

1. Latin America does not hate the Mexican NT, Latins in the U.S. hate the team, because (a)we get all the attention and (b) in this country they learned to hate Mexicans, because gringos hate Mexicans, without realizing that they basically call anyone brown "Mexican"... including them.

2. Out of the media you named, all but one are U.S. media. and TV Azteca are the biggest haters ever, so you will never hear them say Mexico is the best team in the world... not out of professionalism, but out cangrejismo.

3. I'm not sure about your argument regarding the South American forums, but I don't think South Americans in South America give a shit about the Mexico NT, much less hate it.

4. We have never argued we are the best in the world for winning the GC, if anything we are very down to earth. We have beaten Argentina and Brazil several times, and we have never claimed to be better than them after 1 win. Mainly, because we understand that to be better than them, we need to actually achieve what they have achieved... the "U.S. fans" immediately thought they were the best in the world for beating Spain the Confederations Cup.

this is a rivalry thread to substitute the one closed by the biased moderators in the U.S. forum. The "AMERICA IS A CONTINENT" was added to make sure that discussion is on-topic.

I think you may use "we" too heavily. You and your own group of supporters may be grounded, but I've seen several comments from Mexico fans that have claimed their team is the best in the world and many that believed they would win this year's copa.