AMERICA IS A CONTINENT: Mexico vs U.S.of A. rivalry thread

South Africa is not a continent. And the name South africa is not disputed, every geography book in the world say the same thing.

and English is from England. that is where they got its name, just like the English people. As it pertains to the U.S. It is the United States "of America" not America. People just started calling it America because they couldn't find a way to name unitedstatians.

Imagine if Spain decided to name its country Spain of Europe and then call themselves "the" Europeans and tell the the French and Portuguese to get out of Europe.

and, STOP DERAILING THE FYCKING THREAD OR ELSE ANTONIO WILL GIVE YOU A YELLOW CARD.

Also, isn't the full legal Name Estados Unidos Mexicanos?

So United Statian (Estado Unidense) could also mean a Mexican person

it's in the tittle.. i can dispute it.

so again...
"America" can only have one meaning. right?

you are not getting it.. AMERICANS call themselves AMERICANS because the WORD "AMERICA" happens to be a word in the name of their Country.

TWO meanings.. get it through your head. two meanings.

How can i explain it to you.. Club de Fútbol América!!

AMERICANISTA is someone that cheers for las wilas.. in your argument we are all AMERICANISTAS because we too live in America.

When you got to the AZTECA.. and somene says " you are in America's turf" you know they don't mean "you are in the continent of America" they mean you are in club america's stadium

apply the same logic. AMERICA happens to be in the name of the club..

I never said America can have only one meaning, but just like fans of club America are americanistas, people from the American continent are Americans. The word part of "OF AMERICA" is just supposed to mean they are part of America, not that they "are" America. and even then, they even went as far as to separate the continent to be able to keep the name America to themselves, and say they are the only Americans. You are trying to erroneously use the logic of more than one meaning to the same word...

and you are derailing the thread, because the title is a statement, there is no debate the purpose of this thread is to recognize that America is a continent and to talk about the "rivalry" which was forced upon us during the 90's in order to give the Mexico vs U.S. some meaning, and give the nads a chance to feel "some passion."

nope it does not, if you are going to join a debate you should at least read the history. Estados Unidos Mexicanos translates to United Mexican States,

More so : In their theory, in which there are no proven records of nothing regarding it, of how they got their "America" name, they say it was in honour of a dutch man who sponsored Giuseppe Cabotto's (italian navigator otherwise known as John Cabot, although this wasn't his real name), expedition to New Foundland, who named these lands in honour to whom sponsored his trip. That dutchman was Mr. Richard Apmeryke. As you can see, if their land was named in his honour, then these people should have called their country as "United States of Apmeryke" , which they didn`t, naming it instead as how all the rest of the cartographers in the world, (there's plenty records and maps of those years), who take in account this issue, knew this whole Continent, which got its name in honour to the name of whom was considered as its true discoverer, Mr. Americo Vespucci (also an italian navigator), who circumnavigated these new lands all the way south up to the "La Plata river", where he realized that the continent wasn't Asia, but a completely new land. America is the feminine name of Americo (you can easily see the resemblence), because in cartography continents are designated with feminine names.

So if these fellows from North America want to be consequent to their theory, they should start by renaming their country as "United States of Apmeryke" and then they can get propperly be named as "Apmerykans". Americans is for all of us who accept the naming of the continent in honour to Vespucci, and this also includes the Apmerycans as an integral part of our continent. Now the separation between North, Central or South is only a ficticious separation in order to understand a little bit better from which latitude you are talking about, of our very long Continent that extends itself almost from pole to pole.


Whatever, lets just call them US-americans, in order to not complicate things, because other forms of naming them commonly used (gringos, yanquis, sammies, etc.), could somehow be considered a bit offensive by them.

That is 1 problem I have with the name United Mexican States.

Mexico comes from Mexica, So people in Mexico city decided to name the country after the Mexica people, that is messed up for the non-mexica people.

I mean the name shold be Unided Mexican, Mayan, Zapoteca, etc States right?

or maybe United Mesoamerican States.

Maybe, but there had to be a name after we gained independence from Spain. They also named the state where Mexico city is, State of Mexico.

" Para los españoles del siglo XVI, los mexicanos eran los habitantes de México-Tenochtitlan y su lengua. Durante la Colonia, algunos criollos y peninsulares avecindados en Nueva España usaron el gentilicio para denominarse a sí mismos.17 Los líderes de la Guerra de Independencia vacilaron tanto en la denominación del país como de sus habitantes. A partir del Plan de Iguala, el país adoptará definitivamente el nombre de México y sus habitantes fueron todos mexicanos."

Good thing is we got the name from within the country and didn't still the name from any continent.

Yes, and that the capital was not in Yucatan, if the name was the United States of Mayatlan, people in Belize and Guatemala would be as mad as you!

jajaja probably as they should've been if that was the case.

I went to school here in the States, in Nevada to be more specific, and if the education system in this country is truly awful, the one in Nevada is abysmal (the education system in this country is really ********ing awful), and I have never once in my life heard that theory of the Dutchman, who by the way is actually Welsh. Cabot was just credited as the first Englishman (sponsored by Elizabeth I) to travel to the continent and establish an English footing and presence in this continent, I have never seen anything about the Founding Fathers calling it America from some Welsh, always because the nation started as a confederacy alá Switzerland and became the United States of their geographical location, America.

Really the only reason I call them anything other than AMERIKUH is to take the piss on it. This subject on semantics is a bit absurd, to be fair.

I was looking for a fun argument in this thread, instead i get this? We all know that America is a continent or two continents made up of many countries. We use America as slang name for our country. It is that simple.

Can we go back to shit talking about each others teams now?

there is no "or". America is one continent, and most people in the U.S. don't understand that.

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in another note, now that the other thread is closed at the usa forums, maybe this thread will take off without the bias of the u.s. mods.

Landon agrees

Dude you know that America is one or two continents depending on where you go to school.

So does Salcido...is that his um... er... what do you call it?

that was a fan who asked to take a picture with him, meanwhile...

Thats not what I read.

that's cause you read shit.

From what I can understand, this (I'm sure) affectionately called "drunk guy" characterizes "America" as a term used to describe all the land between Canada and Argentina. After during some research, it turns out he is not alone; but the only people who agree with him are others who seek to be called "Americans"; Chileans, Paraguayans, and most of all, Mexicans.

Yet in every other country in the world, "Americans" means one thing; natives and citizens of the United States.

We (USA) have one bad ass PR machine!

one more expample drunkie...

"Estado de Mexico" is just a name for a state in mexico..

For some of you that might not know, There is a state in Mexico named "estado de mexico" (mexican state)

can we also say that Chihuahua is a "estado de mexico" Yes

we can conclude that..
1. "Estado de mexico" = name of a state in mexico
2. "Estado de mexico" = A state from Mexico ( chihuahua, sonora, Guanajuato)

so a person from guadalajara is also someone from a "Estado de mexico" but is not from the "estado de mexico"

notice how it can be both and one at the same time??

By your logic.. everyone in the country should be pissed at people from the "estado de mexico" because they took the name of all the states from mexico.

jose (from Guadalajara): Im from the a state in Mexico
Arturo : well I'm from the state of mexico
jose: well Fack you.. we are all from a State of Mexico
Arturo: sorry for the confusion.., the name of my state is named "mexican state"

let's apply the same logic to the South africans

James (from Botswanna): Im a South African
David (from South Africa): well I'm also South African
James: well fack we are both South Africans
David: sorry for the confusion.. the term "South Africa" is the name of my country

Now Americans

Jose (from Costa Rica): Im an American
Keith(From USA): well I'm an American
jose: well fack we are both Americans
Keith: sorry for the confusion.. the word "America" is in the name of my Country..

that's why they are called Americans.. not because they are the only Americans. But because AMERICA is in their name.

there is nothing wrong with "united states of America" after all, they are united state and they are of America, just like Mexico and Argentina.

in the case of the estado de Mexico, it was use to differentiate the state from the country and city. Have you seen people from the state of Mexico say, we Are Mexicans and people from Puebla are Problanos and not Mexicans? no, people from the Estado de Mexico are Mexiquenses.

In the case of the United States, people from the American continent were already Americans, and the United States, chose to use the part of "of america" to claim the name as their own, even though it only describes where the United States is from, and call themselves Americans (as in nationality) when that term was already used to describe people from the American continent.

You continue arguing about it, because you too, have been indoctrinated into he U.S. educational system, and in the U.S. they teach that the u.s. is America, while North America, and South America are two different continents

You are wrong. in Europian and Canadian popular culture they do refer to the U.S. as America, because the U.S. has exported its culture, as well as UnitedStatians identifying themselves as Americans when they travel abroad, whether to invade a country or just as tourists. However, in their geography textsbooks America is still a continent, at least in most European countries. Although, I wouldn't doubt if eventually they switch to the u.s. teachings since the U.S. influences everything, specially in a globalized economy, everyone would like to by in sync with the U.S.

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How does your mob mentality make you any more right than mine would? Show me a textbook from England, any Oceanic country, any Eastern Asian country, any central/eastern European country, or Canada with "America" taught as a single continent. I am not saying that I doubt they exist in these areas, more that I am trying to see if you believe/can prove that this is the case.