Alineacion Ideal para la seleccion

Discussion in 'Colombian National Team' started by FelipeMillos, May 7, 2008.

  1. efernandez9 Member

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    parece que JN.pekerman piensa distinto
    chacho....tu crees que pekerman es de los que cambia capitan cada convocatoria? ck again:)
          
  2. pipevasquez Member

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    Mosquera podía ser campeón con Pachuca y lo es en algún momento con América de México, es un tipo con mucho carácter.

    Falcao, Guarin, Aguilar, Tienen más cojones para ser capitanes que Ospina. Ospina es más joven que Falcao, Guarin, Aguilar, Teo, Gio. Es de la edad de Cuadrado, Ibarbo. ¿de qué habla?
  3. HijodelAB Member

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    Obviamente nunca viste jugar al Tino, y obviamente no tenes ni idea de que la alineacion en mi post, es la seleccion Colombia que casi elimina a Argentina de la Copa Mundo por goleada, en Buenos Aires.

    En el 5-0 contra Argentina, El tino hizo dos goles en jugada individual, y le puso un gol al tren Valencia, y otro gol de rebote a Rincon.

    Falcao es un super-definidor, no un creador de jugadas, si no le juegan para que defina no hace absolutamente nada, como ya paso en la selecciones de Pinto y Lara. Falcao no tiene la velocidad ni la habilidad para arrastrar a media defensa el solo, como lo hacia el Tino.

    El unico jugador hoy en dia que remotamente se aproxima a la manera de jugar del Tino, con su velocidad, habilidad y olfato de gol, es Cuadrado.
    Del resto, pare de contar.

    contame, vos sos el hermanito de crzdcolombian?
    ese es otro que no hace sino escribir puras huevonadas..
    El dia en que Falcao nos clasifique al mundial con sus goles.. hablamos.
  4. pibe10 Moderator

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    It's hard to compare between Tino & Falcao, no doubt two of the great players we've ever had up front. First, they didn't play in the same position. While Falcao is a pure "9", Tino was capable to play as a striker, as a striker support, and sometimes as an attacking midfielder (like in the 0-5, when Maturana used a 4-5-1). in this case, HijodelAB is right: Tino was a fanomenal player who could create chances for himself and for the others (the 3rd goal vs. Argentina was 100% his work), while Falcao is like alan Shearer: His job is to put the ball in the net whethere it's from the goal line or from 11 m.

    But for the same reason, you also cannot judge Falcao for not scoring in the NT because of our coaches, because of our players (if Falcao would play infront of Valderrama, who knows what could happen and same thing as for Asprilla if he would play under Pinto/Lara and limited midfielders like we had in 2006 & 2010).

    For conclusion, Falcao still has so much to prove in the yellow jersey although we all know how good he is, our best ambassador in the European football today. But it's imposible to compare between them. Different times, different playing style, different coaches and different players.
  5. HijodelAB Member

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    I agree.
    Falcao and Tino are two totally different players, and their style of play is quite complementary. I would be happy to have them both play at the same time in NT.

    Same thing goes for James and Pibe.
  6. pibe10 Moderator

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    Just to think what could happen if we had this lineup:

    [LINEUP-4-4-2]Asprilla, Falcao, James, Alvarez, Valderrama, Rincon, Armero, Yepes, Escobar, Zuñiga, Cordoba[/LINEUP-4-4-2]

    I'm already druling.....:D
  7. crzdcolombian Member

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    Ivan Cordoba is 100000000x better than Escobar. He is probably the best Colombian player of all time. Defenders just don't normally get any love. Escobar died get over it. To say he is better than Ivan is disrespectful for all he done for Colombia and the NT. The only Trophy we have ever gotten was because of Ivan. Who scored the header? The 1st guy you saw heart broken on the field when we got eliminated 3x was Ivan. I am tired of people with this BS Escobar is better than Ivan or Yepes. You don't spend that many years at Inter and win trophies as a captain of a team like Inter Milan, are Captain of Colombia for over 8 years if your not our best player.

    I also think Mondragon is better than Oscar Cordoba but not really a big deal there.

    Alvarez and Pibe. I'd bench them for Guarin and Sanchez. Asprilla I'd bench for Muriel :D
  8. HijodelAB Member

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    Excellent line up. I would replace Escobar with Luis Carlos Perea, one of our best CBs ever.
  9. pibe10 Moderator

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    Crzd, I'll respect your opinion, but when you'll grow up a bit and learn about your country soccer history, then come back and tell me what you think. FYI, Escobar was one of the best CB's in South America and he was one step from moving to AC Milan, who was one of the best Euro teams of all times with Van Basten, Guulit, Rijkaard etc. a team that makes Inter of Cordoba looks like a joke. You can replace either Cordoba with Yepes but everyone who saw Escobar play, would tell you the same thing. Of course no one could tell what if Escobar would still be a live, but el caballero de las canchas in my opinion and in many other people was one of the best we had. and when you say that you would bench Pibe, Alvarez & Tino, you only show me that I was right about what I wrote you at the beginning. learn about your country soccer history and we'll talk.
  10. elviejomen Member+

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    Cordoba por ensima de Mondragon? :rolleyes:
  11. pibe10 Moderator

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    First, it's MY opinion. If you think otherwise, be my guest ;). Second, Cordoba was an amazing keeper, one step of signing in Arsenal after his amazing time in Boca. He was one of the best in these days and then pass to play in Turkey for many years. Mondragon is an excellent keeper, but I'll go with Cordoba.
  12. elviejomen Member+

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    No se, pero nunca se me olvida lo que tapo mondragon en el mundial del 98, fue de otro planeta...
  13. pibe10 Moderator

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    I never said that MOndragon wasn't a good keeper. in my opinion it's Cordoba, Mondragon & Higuita, although to be honest I never saw Efrain Sanchez and I herd that he was the best according many who saw him.
  14. hanzellmo Member

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    I'd bench crazy for velez, the rest is fine
  15. minus Moderator

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    Cordoba could have been at Real Madrid but he was to loyal to Inter. Cordoba > Yepes & Escobar.
  16. pibe10 Moderator

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    Minus, it's all a matter of opinions. No one can tell how Escobar could be, but the buttom line is that in these days he was one of the best in South America, so in your opinion he less good then Cordoba. I saw Escobar many times and I think that we never had a CB like that and in my opinion we missed an amazing CB. It doesn't matter that Yepes & Cordoba were amazing as well (You can put either Cordoba or Yepes, but Escobar in my opinion was better then the two of them).
  17. crzdcolombian Member

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    There is no * next to Cordoba/Yepes preformances in the NT and club level. Escobar will always have the more famous Escobar as someone who could have helped both Nacional/Colombian NT tainting his legacy. That and he died pretty young so it's not like he ever fulfilled his full potential like Yepes or Cordoba did.
  18. elviejomen Member+

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    Yepes es mas tecnico que Cordoba, Cordoba depende mas de su velocidad, por eso Yepes viejo sigue siendo considerado a la seleccion a diferencia de Cordoba que cada ves es mas lento
  19. lfsr1544 New Member

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    también hay que decir que los dos juntos se entendían muy bien. Son muchos los partidos donde los dos salían como héroes. Eran de los mejores pares que hemos visto. Y con tanto candado en el arco como era O. Cordoba y Mondragon que por eso por anos, con tanta falta de gol, siempre nos dejaron vivos hasta casi el ultimo partido de eliminatoria.

    Otra cosa. Me recuerdo que los dos (IRC/Yepes), en especial Yepes, usan una táctica para ganar balones con potencia. Cunado el jugador ofensivo corría con el balón se tiraban al piso para choquar(sp) seco con el balón. 9 de 10 veces el jugador del otro equipo caía al suelo casi volando mientras Yepes se quedaba con el balón y sin falta. Nunca he visto a otro jugador defensivo usar este tipo de jugada que tiene mucho mérito. El único que de pronto lo hace es Perea pero lo hace en tiempos no oportunos (en la área o ya perdida la posición o ya con tarjeta).
  20. pipevasquez Member

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    No.

    1. Cordoba sigue siendo muy rápido.

    2. No dependía de su velocidad como si lo hace Perea. A Cordoba lo podían poner como último hombre y el tipo en el mano a mano no lo pasa nadie, diferente a Perea que sólo tiene velocidad.

    3. Cordoba no esta en selección porque no esta jugando, Yepes tampoco pero ocacionalmente tenía más regularidad. Si vemos Yepes volvió cuando estaba en CHievo, donde era titular (Si Cordoba hubiera salido de Inter a un equipo menor, sería titular y convocado)

    4. Cordoba tiene velocidad, salto y a diferencia de Yepes en el uno contra uno, no depende de las barridas tanto como Mario.

    -YO la verdad no veo donde Yepes es más técnico que Cordoba
  21. pepinointer Member+

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    No, córdoba después de esa lesión contra liverpool se volvió otro jugador....y sus ultimas presentaciones han sido muy malas
  22. pipevasquez Member

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    Muy no son. Es más, Creo que Cordoba recibieron menos goles que con Lució y Samue, que son un desastre completo. En general la linea defensiva desde los volantes el Inter, son horribles.
  23. pepinointer Member+

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    Contra roma fue el partido que mas goles le han hecho al ínter....y en esa zaga estaba córdoba

    Igual ps todo el inter juega mal
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    -------------------------------Ospina--------------------------------
    Zuñiga---------------Perea-----------Yepes-----------Armero------

    ----------------------------Valencia (sanchez)----------------------------

    ---------Cuadrado---------Macnelly(guarin)----------------James------

    -------------------------Teo-------------Falcao---------------------


    Perea y Yepes, super reemplazables............

    Cuadrado, el riesgo de meterlo desde el comeinzo creo que puede ser meter nuestro cambio mas desequilibrante......por eso pienso que toca recuperar a pino (diganme soñador y lo que sea)

    Me gustaria ver a muriel acompñando a falcao....cuando se recupere

    Abel tampoco me molesta verlode titular
    villus repped this.

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