Algarve Cup 2013

Discussion in 'Women's International' started by jonny63, Dec 13, 2012.

  1. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Talking about Ali Krieger (who missed Olympics, but now seems to be back in full form), I heard her interviewed by German TV after the final match and it looked like she was perfectly fluent in German, way better than a player who simply spent some time playing in Frankfurt. Is she maybe of German descent, like her family name seems to suggest?
     
  2. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    Four words:

    Nicole Petignat


    Jacqui Melksham
     
  3. foursnotfills

    foursnotfills New Member

    Mar 15, 2013
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    If there's any chance of getting the matched you capped from Eurosport I would be very interested. I always find it's a pain to track down women's matches despite being some of the most enjoyable soccer to watch.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  4. newsouth

    newsouth Member

    Nov 20, 2010
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    like i said, if there are no injuries or wambach black eyes ;) let the ladies ruff it up a bit. the ground seldom causes an injury. plus i don't like refs deciding games with the whistle. it was better 1:1 than a ridiculous penalty kick turning it into an official win. the sweden match was wonderful, just showed how you deal, push her out and wide or to the ground if necessary :ROFLMAO:, with morgan' runs if you have good speed and size on the backline.

    germans couldn't deploy it because they are just too slow across the pitch, but very technical.
     
  5. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nice try... "The better teams usually get the better breaks" = USA are the best team, but the best teams in football actually tend to get a lot of decent calls because they regularly dominate the flow of games and maintain large amounts of possession, and this simply hasn't been a regular theme of the U.S. against any of the other top teams in the world over the past few years, has it?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the U.S. or anybody else for falling back to the most obvious tactic for combating increasing numbers of opponents with better technical ability than their own, within a sport the trump card of pure athleticism still holds sway, but the refs surely have to start taking better control over the new breed of female athlete involved in the game now, before we see the next WC take on even more of the negative traits many once only connected to the men's event.

    Yes, and being slow around the field but dominating the ball has really hurt the prospects of the last 3 world champions, oh wait...:rolleyes:

    While their recent results don't match the performance of the Japanese, Germany have also dominated and nullified a lot of the better teams on the international scene in ways they simply weren't doing in the run up to 2011's WWC, which in my opinion is a far better route to future success, than getting in to physical contests with the kinds of inferior skilled opposition they once walked through with minimal fuss. (See Germany vs Nigeria 2011 WWC....:thumbsdown:)

    So with the youth teams, and now the seniors, in a era of improved global professionalism, you can see that the DFB has acknowledged old school ideas on speed and size won't win them another WWC, and everybody can blame Lyon & Japan for that, lol.
     
  6. necron99

    necron99 Member

    Oct 17, 2011
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    I think there is a fine line that shouldn't be crossed. Currently there isn't alot of diving in the women's game. Obviously some of the players do it on occasion, Kelly Smith, Sonia Bompastor, Abby. Abby Wambach is on the ground all of the time in the last few years. Abby is a big girl who takes a large number of hits, some pretty hard and doesn't seem to go down for most of them. People treat some very heavy knocks against her as no big deal because she is so big. Then you see her go down really easy with a player stabbing in for the ball or a push in the back and you think "what was that?".

    You don't want a ton of light penalties which would encourage the diving we see in the men's game, but you don't want the girls to start playing hockey because they know the ref isn't going to call it. There has to be a happy medium. The answer to skilled players making exciting plays CANNOT be to knock them down, trip them, or elbow them. You can't let players try to, or risk injuring stars out of the game. I don't mean a set of special quarterback rules for stars. The ref just needs to be prudent in calling the laws of the game.
     
  7. necron99

    necron99 Member

    Oct 17, 2011
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Ridiculous. It is interesting how you took Newsouth's complimenting of Sweden's use of a physical fouling game against the USA to suggest that is what the USA has been doing to win games. It is entirely different to use superior athleticism then to use rough tactics. Yes the USA still depends quite a bit on athleticism over pure on the ball skill. But persistent fouling and knocking down players has never been the USA's plan going into a game. Canada did it in the past, and picked it back up coming into the Olympics. Sweden is picking it up. China used to do it to combat Mia Hamm.
     
  8. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Read what I said fanboy... "Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the U.S. or anybody else for falling back to the most obvious tactic for combating increasing numbers of opponents with better technical ability than their own"

    If you wan't to take that as me supporting Sweden over U.S. unnecessary roughness so be it, but I personally felt I was talking about how it needs to stop on all front's if we wan't to see good games decided on skill and ability, and not contentious 50/50 decisions and poor individual mistakes.

    I mean in men's football I often hear the idiom of weaker teams needing to bring the style of football down to their level if they are to succeed versus superior opposition, and this is exactly the same within the women's international scene too, but in ways that are becoming increasingly cynical and annoying for a sport that used to come with the tagline of being fairer than the men's side of the game.

    So is this point possibly unfair sexist stereotyping on my part... hmmm probably, but I honestly don't enjoy watching the supposedly best wnt's breaking up general play with regular bad tackles, as apathetic referees do nothing but harm the few teams that try and demonstrate the more enjoyable skilful traits of the game.
     
  9. StarCityFan

    StarCityFan BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 2, 2001
    Greenbelt, MD
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to this writeup from a relative, she didn't know any German when she went over for the first time but worked hard to learn it.

    (I don't know if you're keeping up with former Washington Freedom players Rebecca Moros and Beverly Goebel over in Japan, but from their blog it seems that they spend most of their spare time trying to master the language.)
     
  10. necron99

    necron99 Member

    Oct 17, 2011
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Read what I said. I said that thuggish fouling play is different that atheletic speed, kick and run, and over the top long ball play.

    My reading of your repeated statements was that you feel the USA are the worse offender of the brutish play, and a general dismissal of other "better" teams who do it. Canada, Sweden, and Germany play more a more physical pushing, tackling, fouling style than the USA. Germany clearly has a passing skill advantage over the USA but an athlete disadvantage, and still chose to play a hard fouling game.

    Your current reply seems to back away from the idea that the USA is the worse offender, so I take that as a misunderstanding.

    Some teams foul France and Japan to stop the pretty passing, other teams foul the USA to stop Morgan's skill and speed from beating them. Either way I think the refs need to call fouls and give yellows early in the game to stop it.
     
  11. kernel_thai

    kernel_thai Member+

    Oct 24, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    I dont remember asking for a penalty and I thought it was a fair challenge. That doesnt mean the referee shouldnt keep control of the game. As long as no one gets injured isnt far from Nilla Fischer breaking her arm and missing Euros. Good defense is played with ur feet. I dont mind them playing hard but once u start see retaliation the cards need to come out.
     
  12. WPS_Movement

    WPS_Movement Member+

    Apr 9, 2008
    I don't think the Averbuch play was dirty at all.
    She was just being aggressive going for the ball.
     
  13. WPS_Movement

    WPS_Movement Member+

    Apr 9, 2008
    Which match are you looking for?
    It's a torrentt file, so you'll have to have a BitTorrent client (I use "utorrent").

    www.utorrent.com
     
  14. WPS_Movement

    WPS_Movement Member+

    Apr 9, 2008
    USA vs. Germany (FINAL): (720p)
    http://www40.zippyshare.com/v/39842048/file.html

    USA vs. Sweden (Group B): (720p)
    http://www55.zippyshare.com/v/6367553/file.html

    USA vs. China (Group B): (720p)
    http://www17.zippyshare.com/v/74380839/file.html

    USA vs. Iceland (Group B): (720p)
    http://www17.zippyshare.com/v/15008883/file.html

    Norway vs. Sweden (3rd Place Match): (standard quality)
    http://www22.zippyshare.com/v/63325127/file.html

    Germany vs. Japan (Group A): (standard quality)
    http://www5.zippyshare.com/v/72469279/file.html

    Denmark vs. Germany (Group A): (standard quality)
    http://www26.zippyshare.com/v/83348575/file.html

    Germany vs. Norway (Group A): (standard quality)
    http://www29.zippyshare.com/v/26430769/file.html

    Denmark vs. Japan (Group A): (standard quality)
    http://www7.zippyshare.com/v/48399063/file.html

    Sweden vs. Iceland (Group B): (standard quality)
    http://www15.zippyshare.com/v/34288978/file.html

    Bonus: The State of the Women's Game - in America: (720p)
    http://www5.zippyshare.com/v/44427773/file.html

    Bonus: We Are - The U.S. Women's National Team: (720p)
    http://www5.zippyshare.com/v/37713802/file.html

    Bonus: USA vs. North Korea - U17 WWC (2012):
    http://www49.zippyshare.com/v/86717932/file.html

    Bonus: USA vs. Germany - 2012 Friendly:
    http://www8.zippyshare.com/v/79963508/file.html

    Bonus: USA vs. Japan (2012 Algarve Cup):
    First Half: http://uploading.com/7bmf7ae1/USAvsJAP_part1-mp4
    2nd Half: http://uploading.com/1mc2fmcm/USAvsJAP_part2-mp4

    Bonus: WUSA 2002 All-Star Game:
    http://uploading.com/3418adbc/wusa-avi
     
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  15. foursnotfills

    foursnotfills New Member

    Mar 15, 2013
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Wow, thank you very much, WPS_Movement, for the time and effort you put into capping these matches and making them available for others who missed the live streams.
     
  16. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Yes, I can see now that it says that "she left speaking fluent German". I have to say that it's quite impressive. In the interview I saw, she was interacting very naturally with the journalist and she didn't seem to even slightly falter and I guess learning a language so well in a such relatively short time is not easy, even for a well-read young girl. Big thumbs up to Ali. :thumbsup:

    Yes, I keep following them quite closely since they play in INAC Kobe Leonessa (they also provide nice pictures of some of my favourite Nadeshiko players on their respective blogs :p), and I have to say that especially Becky Moros is very obstinate in trying to learn the intricacies of a very different language (and culture) like Japanese: in the last entry of her blog, she even managed to write a short message in Japanese to her supporters.
    I guess that, in this challenge, she shows the same attitude, accuracy and work-ethic that she displays on the pitch. :thumbsup:
     
  17. foursnotfills

    foursnotfills New Member

    Mar 15, 2013
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    In case anyone else is interested in using the torrentts posted by WPS_Movement, you'll need to register on the russian forum before the torrentts will allow you to download anything. Also, it appears that the files have to be downloaded directly from the forum before they function properly as I was unable to download anything using the files that I got through the zippyshare links.

    Having said that, it's still useful to get the torrentts from the Zippyshare links above as the files have direct links to the forum posts (you'll have to open the torrentt in your bit client and view the user/torrentt comment) where you can then re-download the torrentt file after creating an account.

    Should anyone else find a simpler method please be sure to share it.
    Thanks.
     
  18. WPS_Movement

    WPS_Movement Member+

    Apr 9, 2008
    No problem, but I actually didn't cap the Eurosport matches.
    I had to hunt to find them. :)

    In life, some things you grow in your own garden.
    And other things you have to hunt for.
     
  19. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well done, USA Women.
     
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  20. kernel_thai

    kernel_thai Member+

    Oct 24, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
  21. WPS_Movement

    WPS_Movement Member+

    Apr 9, 2008
    Oct. 23, in the rain.
    U.S. broadcast.
     
  22. kernel_thai

    kernel_thai Member+

    Oct 24, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Thanks...Im looking for Oct 20 in English...the only version I have is in German.
     

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