According To This Article, The SJ Earthquakes Don't Exist

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by DaveBrett, Jan 11, 2013.

  1. Mstars96

    Mstars96 Member

    Jul 13, 2003
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No I don't work on Wall street, nor I am an electrician but if I need to do simple electrical work I look it up, internet helps.
    Under Bettman, the NHL has seen rapid growth of league revenues, from $400 million when he was hired to over $3.0 billion in 2010-11.
     
  2. Mstars96

    Mstars96 Member

    Jul 13, 2003
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not surprised whatsoever, Canada is NOT a soccer country at all, cities like Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver can be successful because of the immigrant community and grows from there, rest of the country has no interest in soccer.
     
  3. terrier

    terrier Member

    May 31, 2011
    Netherlands
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    To be fair, the metro areas of Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver alone make up 1/3 of the entire country's population. I'm not sure Canada's any less interested in soccer than the US - to the contrary, EPL ratings are higher there than in the US. In both countries, they crush MLS TV ratings.
     
  4. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    from 400 million to 3 billion in revenue in hockey.

    sweet god.

    in what 10 years?

    shows me our issues with growth in MLS.

    What kind of revenue does MLS have? Its almost impossible to find reliable numbers.

    What is it 200 million a year? 300 million?

    In 8 years bettman takes NHL from 400 million to 3 billion.

    God we have so far to go....
     
  5. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Yeah, but how? What they get from US TV barely went up $100 million in that time. There weren't any new teams added. Attendance is basically the same as 2005. They play the same number of games. Is it just crazy high ticket prices?
     
  6. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I already know you are uninformed. thrashers moved from my home state to winnipeg. thats a new team and money exchanged.

    still 400 million to 3 billion. good god.
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=559630

    there you have it. increasing ad revenue. increasing partnerships, INCREASING draft coverage.

    everything we are getting more and more deficient in. SMH
     
  7. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The NHL doesn't get that money, oh informed one.
    If they can get more ad money on stagnant attendance and stagnant TV ratings for everything outside the Stanly Cup, then the MLS can do it to. Especially if MLS is expanding, as it is.
     
  8. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Drumroll please....
    The announcement ended an agonizing wait for Winnipeg hockey fans as rumors of the sale dragged on for weeks before True North, led by partners Mark Chipman and billionaire David Thomson, were finally confirmed as the new owners by NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman at the MTS Centre where the team will play.
    Thomson is Canada's richest man and chairman of news and information company Thomson Reuters (TRI.TO), while Chipman's family owns auto dealerships and real estate in the Western Canadian province of Manitoba.
    The sale agreement will still need approval by the NHL's board of governors at its June 21 meeting. The price was not released, however numerous reports have said True North will pay $170 million, including a $60 million "relocation fee" to the NHL.

    BOOM! HEADSHOT!
     
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  9. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    But then this is a one-time thing, and the NHL don't make $3 billion a year, unless they plan on moving teams each season. And anyway, $60 million is only 2% of 3 billion, so that doesn't answer my first question.

    Also, you are an ass.
     
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  10. revsrock

    revsrock Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    Boston Ma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bettman took over in Feb 1993.

    Teams Added
    Atlanta
    Nashville
    Columbus
    Minnesota Wild

    Moved
    Quebec to Colorado- great move
    Winnipeg to Phoenix-bad move
    Minnesota North Stars to Dallas- good move
    Hartford to Carolina-good move

    US TV Deals
    Fox Deal 31m a year 94-99(155m total)
    ABC/ESPN- 120m a yr 99-04(600m total)
    NBC revenue sharing deal
    Versus- 05-11 70m a year
    NBC/Comcast 11-21 10yr deak 200m a year (2b total) All NHL playoff games shown live on NBCSN or NBC

    Hard to find CBC deals but rumored to be around 100m a year
    Can't really find the TSN deal but probably close to CBC

    Other sources of huge revenue
    Reebok full league jersey deal
    Winter Classic
    A 53m a year deal with Miller/Coors
     
  11. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was told NHL didnt get any money because I was uninformed. just shooting back.
     
  12. redinthemorning

    redinthemorning Member+

    Apr 26, 2011
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Canadian dollar is trading nearly 1:1 with US dollar right now. That has a lot to do with it.

    The Sharks situation is less and indictment on NHL teams than it is on pro sports accounting. Half the NBA claimed losses before the last CBA was negotiated. That's just how this works. The only pro sports league where teams are consistently profitable is the NFL, and that's because revenue sharing and TV contracts have pretty much idiot-proof that business.
     
  13. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since 1850.
     
  14. Beavis Stiffler

    Beavis Stiffler Member+

    May 14, 2011
    Naranja With Attitude. Straight Outta Houston.
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
  15. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    According to this source, the term "sun belt" was not coined until 1969.
    http://geography.about.com/od/specificplacesofinterest/a/sunbelt.htm

    Although the article concedes that some extend the sun belt as far north as San Francisco, the article also makes clear that the term "sun belt" describes a post-World War II rapid growth phenomenon "due to the invention of affordable and effective air conditioning" which greatly extended the pale of inhabitability. As I've mentioned previously, San Jose doesn't require air-conditioning, and I, for one, am quite comfortable without it.

    So, although it's sunny here almost every day, I would not consider San Jose to be a "sun belt" city.
     
  16. redinthemorning

    redinthemorning Member+

    Apr 26, 2011
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a weird lexicon for hockey markets as well. "Sun belt" has a lot of leeway to it. It's not simply geographical. For example, a lot of hockey fans and writers (on both sides of the 49th parallel) would consider the Ducks a Sun Belt team, but the Kings are not. Of course, most hockey fans also claim the Ducks and Lightning are Gary Bettman's "fault" when they were both awarded under Gil Stein's tenure as NHL President (a position which no longer exists).
     
  17. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They didn't have that spirit here since that year, either. Nicely identified.

     
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  18. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was at my employer's HQ in Milpitas last week and the week before. One day, it only got up into the 40s, someone came in the office complaining about how cold it was outside. This was very amusing to my boss and me, who live and work in the Denver area and had just come from HIGHS in the 20s that week along the Front Range.

    Yeah, San Jose is Sunbelt.
     
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Huh, my boss did the exact opposite, came from San Mateo to Denver each of the last two weeks. He wanted to know who blew the pilot light out...
     
  20. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We've got a guy coming out from Milpitas next week. Fortunately for him, it'll be unseasonably warm while he's here.
     
  21. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Milpitas is a post World War II city, incorporated 1954, which would fit the definition of a sun belt city. Nearby San Jose, on the other hand, was founded (1777) more than eight decades before Denver (1858), more than seven decades before gold was discovered in California (1848) and nearly two centuries before anyone conceived the term "sun belt" (1969). It is one of California's oldest cities and its first (Anglo) capital. Like ancient cities ringing the Mediterranean, it is not the "sun belt" merely because its climate is sunny and usually warm.

    And, by the way, last week's "highs in the 40s" cold spell here was an aberration. Things are more normal now for mid-January. I was at an outdoor dusk wedding last night in the Santa Cruz mountains featuing a bare-armed bride.
     
  22. itcheyness

    itcheyness Member

    Jul 30, 2012
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You guys don't go bare armed in the 40s?
     
  23. krudmonk

    krudmonk Member+

    Mar 7, 2007
    S.J. Sonora
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    shorts 365
     
  24. itcheyness

    itcheyness Member

    Jul 30, 2012
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not that impressive

    I saw a guy in one of my classes today wearing shorts, the current temperature here is 3 with a wind chill of -11.
     
  25. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What about Northern California ?

    San Jose is pretty much right on the accepted line for the Sun Belt, a whopping 1 degree above the given geographic South of the US, the 36th parallel.
     

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