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Discussion in 'Free For All' started by Dead Fingers, May 2, 2012.
What basis is there for the theory?
I don't understand why it took this long for that stinking little pot to boil over. United spend over 7 million on a player they could have signed for free only a few weeks earlier???
Because its only in rotten countries like Italy, Portugal & Greece that they have anti-corruption police who even investigate this stuff
Bg's theory of it being a dream?
I am old skool - so for a theory - you need to have a real basis for it in the film
Have you looked into the latest Serie A & B matchfixing?
The only reason the italians are finding this stuff is because they are rolling up mafia groups with wiretaps - and then they plea bargain the small time crooks and like a piece of string they find themselves at the door of juve once more....
I would have to watch it again to see if I even agree with that theory. I am a bit tongue in cheek in agreeing with it at the moment, only citing that the women in the movie are a bit too lovely for it to be real.
But having said that, I don't see the movie as that fantastical/dream like...maybe stylized a bit than it needs to, but I am not going to begrudge Corbijn that...it's his nature.
How big is the mafia these days in Italy?
In the opening sequence, we never see who shoots who. We only hear the shot.
There is so much in what comes next that does not make sense if it takes place in the real world. The symbolism of the priest and his son, the way he essentially kills a guy in public and gets away with it, the preposterous assassination attempt by Reuten (when she had far better opportunities if that was the end-game), the pretty pro whom he has a cathartic relationship with, and the way the ending is essentially a 21st century version re imagining of the conclusion of "Once upon a time in America."
It's not a perfect theory, but there is enough there to at least consider it.
I'll have to watch it again.
I saw it a yotel at LHR and to be honest i was so buggered and not really paying attention
But i did think the whole thing about the swedes makes no sense
BTW, I meant "once upon a time in the West". I don't know what happens to me when I type that, but my fingers never seem to obey my mind whenever I mention that flick.
That's what got me, the half ass assassination attempts.
I have been getting rid of most of my dvds, but I picked this and The Wild Bunch up on Blu Ray this last week.
Like Huss pimping for his wife at the top, in the info section now.
The ending is the same as another film as well but I have forgotten which
The problem i have with the idea is why would that work when we don't even know anything about him in the first place
I do agree the whole thing is like a fantasy - but maybe thats the idea - not unusual in the genre?
That didn't stop them in Point Blank!
edit - BG
I think you are right
look at the tunnel scene arriving in italy - when i saw it at the time i thought that was just a visual hook for people who have driven over the border
explain? i hate that movie.
The theory is also that the entire movie is Walker's revenge fantasy/dream as he lays dying on Alcatraz.
Can I just add, on thinking about Once Upon a Time in the West, that I have always thought Jason Robards was brilliant and underrated?
What do you mean underrated? I thought Cheyenne was everyone's favorite character!
I am thinking of the whole career of JR.
Loved him in plenty of roles. I just never thought he got the credit he deserved.
Woody Strode also had a great career (he even starred in his own John Ford flick!) but is mostly remembered for his tiny role in that movie.