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Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by pgr17, Nov 21, 2012.
List of Chelsea managers in Sir Alex's time at Old Trafford:
John HollinsJuly 1985-March 1988
Bobby CampbellMarch 1988-June 1991
Ian PorterfieldJuly 1991-February 1993
David WebbFebruary 1993-June 1993
Glenn HoddleJune 1993-May 1996
Ruud GullitMay 1996-February 1998
Gianluca VialliFebruary 1998-September 2000
Graham RixSeptember 2000-September 2000
Claudio RanieriSeptember 2000-May 2004
José MourinhoJune 2004-September 2007
Avram GrantSeptember-2007May 2008
Luiz Felipe ScolariJuly 2008-February 2009
Ray WilkinsFebruary 2009-February 2009
Guus HiddinkFebruary 2009-May 2009
Carlo AncelottiJune 2009-May 2011
Andre Villas-BoasJune 2011-March 2012
Roberto Di MatteoMarch 2012-November 2012
Stupid stupid stupid Chelsea.
Gotta feel for RDM
Surely they are speaking to Guardiola now and throwing ridiculous cash at him.
Why, he got as a big paycheck and as big a trophy as he could ever dream of, ever. It wasnt like he was master minding some small side to great heights before going to a big team and not succeeding. He failed miserably at West Brom of all team and could not find another main job, tells you something.
Hire another manager who will need time to adjust and make radical changes.
Don't think he failed at WB.
He over-achieved with Chelsea and then FINALLY started making changes the club needed for years now. The progress was there with Mata, Oscar and Hazard. It takes time to see if it can work and to change the old guard for a new one, including instilling a new philosophy. There's no reasonable way to rationalize that as a failure punishable by a sacking. That is ludicrous!
Paul Elliott is stupid:
Phil McNulty is a bit more balanced, but his implication that Abramovich has got success via his sackings is a bit of a stretch:
So Gus Hiddink got them an FA Cup and Di Matteo went one better and got the Champions League too. Woop-de-effing-do. You could even argue that the nature of Di Matteos CL triumph was more luck than judgement on his part.
The bigger picture is that Chelsea cast out Jose Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti: two managers who were more than capable of delivering further league titles and probably the Champions League at some point.
Furthermore, this idiot went out and saddled both coaches with a striker he wanted, who in turn went on to fail miserably. For Mourinho it was Shevchenko and for Ancelotti it was Torres.
I'm sorry, but three Premier League titles and a Champions League in 9 years after hundreds of millions of pounds in transfers and salaries, with a few cups tacked on, is not enough. Especially when you consider that two of the Premierships, an FA Cup and a League Cup were under Mourinho.
I'd have to argue that regardless of what Chelsea may have won in the last six seasons, Abramovich's actions have probably cost them greater honours.
what new philosophy? it's the same 4231 but with oscar and hazard instead of kalou and malouda. it's a little more narrow than in previous years but that's due to the selection of players.
i don't care for rdm particularly. to be honest, his CL run was kinda lucky. what's absolutely laughable is that they would sack him for rafa benitez! how does this guy keep landing into high profile jobs?!
He's playing a different brand of attacking football than we have known from them centered on THREE creative attacking forwards. They even looked like they were going to toy with the idea of a striker-less formation.
It's not the defensive minded Chelsea any longer and that was a positive move for them but it was going to take time to make work.
In addition we are seeing youth players being tried out, sent on loan to gain experience in order to return, etc.
RDM is a young coach with new ideas and a fresh outlook on things, not one of these old managers who have been around for decades who fall into the traditionalist trap. Sadly clubs are managed by similar old buffoons who don't and can't put their trust in something new.
We see it over and over but Chelsea has become a joke.
Just praying that Pep is still sticking to his footie sabbatical and FSW takes over. I've been missing him.
Mata was here before him, and he did not have a contract when Hazard was signed so how was he changing anything, he was generously given three great talents nothing of his doing. He was just playing them, what revolution did he bring or what unknown to stardom, I dont get the sympathy for him at all. He didnt have a say in transfers and what players were bought and sold, how was he changing anything or revolutionizing anything. Even interim manager will keep the same style going as he let it when he took over from AVB.
and looking at what his successors have done with WBA with little money, he was a failure.
I bet RDM will be sacked from his new job again if he gets one without being successful, he is a nothing manager for me.
I dont get this revolutionizing football, they are playing the same football that has been played before them, the style too. When Luciano Spalletti did a striker less formation it was new, everyone who followed was just doing that following, not revolutionizing even SAF who actually was the first manager to make it work i.e. win with it (CL, EPL etc).
What Rodgers is doing at Liverpool is not revolution, it is a follow up of Spain tactics, what RDM was doing is not revolution he was following a 4231, he was even following the patterns of attack. Look at what Clarke is doing, not revolution at all but simple beautiful football.
In fact it is Lambert who is the most tactically flexible of all the young ones.
And it was an old head that perfected the beloved no striker formation, the most veteran, tells you revolution and modernization doesnt necessarily mean young and youth. (Jesus, what has happened to you Fergie).
Not sure why everyone wants FSW to take over. All things considered, he's actually a very good manager. I suppose, though, that Chelsea may not have the players for his style.
Impossible. They needed significant spending to get the team to Championship caliber. I'd agree that if Abramovich had been a silent owner after installing Mourinho and that huge cash injection, they'd be more successful, but they'd have likely struggled to win a single title without Abramovich.
The question is, why do you dislike him so much?
Because your rationalization doesn't hold up but it's pretty apparent how much dislike you have for him.
They must have someone lined up. Why else would they sack him now?
I agree that RDM didn't revolutionize anything, but I also don't think that it is fair to sack a manager who hasn't had 2 or 3 full seasons in charge. A football team is built over that time. You cannot come in and make things different by flipping a switch. The footballing world is mad.
You could be saying this about any number of managers Chelsea has sacked recently.
Pretty good discussion on Chelsea's board in regards to RDM (most hate the decision) and no one wants Benitez there.
None of this defends RA's actions. If he didn't have confidence in RDM as anything but a stop-gap, he shouldn't have hired him. If he wanted to give him an opportunity due to his trophies last season, fine - but then give him the opportunity. Chelsea have gone from playing well to hitting a bad patch. They haven't been bad enough to warrant a sacking.
It's clear at this point that Abramovich will only tolerate a coach that not only dominates at home and abroad, but does so in an aesthetically pleasing manner.
When Mourinho had his club dominating, Abramovich bitched from on high about the style of play and the non-delivery of the European Cup. This ridiculous dissatisfaction eroded the relationship and pushed Mourinho out the door. Since then the dominance has gone and the subjective demand for the spectacular has rarely been met and when it has it's been fleeting.
Personally, I hope RA continues to play "spin the bottle" because it prevents them from bedding in at the top of the table.
It's worth noting that if this guy had been the owner of Manchester United, Ferguson could have been sacked multiple times, given that he's had periods like RDM's recent one(and AVB's, Ancelotti's, Scolari's and Grant's) - sometimes in seasons when we went on to win the league!
It's revolution if you look at a certain club and not football in general. There were so many tactics in the past that it's very hard to come up with a new one. You can start a revolution (from business perspective) in a single company, but that wouldn't count as a revolution in business. Similarly, we've been able to experience different revolutions in a single country and it counted as a revolution despite the fact that there were similar revolutions in the past in other countries.
That's why Fergie said that switching United's primary formation to 4-3-1-2 would be a revolution because there's so much history with his wingers in a 4-4-2 that this change is almost virtually impossible. I don't know if anyone understood me, but whatever
Fat Spanish Waiter seems to be the lead. Good for them. Overjoyed to see him back in the league.
Claudio Ranieri the longest serving Chelsea manager in my lifetime