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Discussion in 'Germany' started by Hobo, Jul 23, 2010.
Oh yes, I forgot that Bayern got an own league.
Looking like Regensburg are in good position for promotion. Need to take care of business against RWO.
I'll be rooting for KSC in the relegation battle.
Just curious, why opposed to these three? Simply because of their locations?
Two of the teams are from relative small towns (Aalen, ~60000 inhabitants; Sandhausen ~15000),
Regensburg is an exception with ~135000 inhabitants. And all 3 drew relative small average attendances (all in the bottom of 3. Liga): Aalen 4365, Regensburg 3789, Sandhausen 2616, and do not have really organized fan bases.
That are some reasons to be opposed. On the other hand one could state that having the same clubs in 2. BL is boring or have sympathies for Regensburg since they managed to reach rank 3 with a quite low budget. (Ok, the other two clubs are from economical strong region and have good sponsors compared to other clubs at that level, but if there are strong companies, why not activate them to sponsor football). And about the fans one could say that having only a few nice fans is better than some called tradition teams with groups of violent idiots.
Aalen and Sandhausen are simply among the most bland clubs one could have in the league. Compared to those Wolfsburg has a long and proud history... they also come from towns no one has ever heard of, they have very little in terms of fanbase, hell - even their logos and kits are in black and white.
Regensburg is a bit different - they actually have some history and are from an actual city. Still, compared to most other clubs that could have gone up they won't be a big draw if they come to town anywhere outside of Bavaria.
The average attendances for all three clubs are masked by a few (near) sell-outs near the end of the season or for derbies, 2/3rds of their games drew less than those averages, though:
Aalen: 13 out of 19 games with an attendance under 4200
Regensburg: 12 out of 19 games with an attendance under 3500
Sandhausen: 13 out of 19 games with an attendance under 2600
Any evidence that attendance would rise with promotion?
Evidence probably not - Aalen and Sandhausen never played at this level, after all. Still, there probably will be a slight rise. I wouldn't hope for that much, though. Paderborn got an average of 10.000 this season, playing for pomotion. And Paderbon is BIG compared to those places (more than twice as many people as Aalen, ten times the population of Sandhausen). So 4-7k mabye?
Regensburg could get 8k, I'd guess.
Regensburg got a 2-2 draw at KSC and is promoted due to away goals. Congrats
That is pretty cool.
2. Bundesliga still waiting for their first play-off win versus 3. Liga teams, 3. Liga has a 8 games undefeated streak now.
I am very proud to see Regensburg promoted. My hope is that they will take the money from the sale of Schweinsteiger and spend it on some new talent to help them stay up.
Schweinsteiger leaves on a free transfer.
To go be his little brother's "little brother!" LOL!!
Well 3. Liga will probably get an attendance boost next year with Karlsruhe, Rostock and Aachen going down and likely Halle going up, instead of Sandhausen, Aalen and Regensburg.
And the 2. Liga attendance will probably go down with the tiny stadiums in Sandhausen, Aalen and Regensburg.........
Hmmmm......... I'm not so sure about that........ Hertha, Köln and Kaiserslautern? OK Frankfurt is on same level as them.... but Fürth and Fortuna drew lesser than these 3 will in 2012-2013.
Lautern won't draw more than Düsseldorf unless they dominate the league (unlikely), and even then probably not much more. The newly promoted teams will all get significantly less than KSC, Aachen, and Rostock. Only improvement is Hertha over Fürth - and that's a big one. But even with that it will at best stay the same attendance wise.
Great. Well, so much for staying in the 2.BL for long. Although stranger things have happened.
Regensburg will lose most of their regulars - there even was a recent kicker article on this. Gerber (Jahn's sporting director): "I fear this team will fall apart, we'll have to start from scratch now".
Kaiserslautern will draw more than 40k a game and if they dominate the league it will be 45k.
Well, Kaiserslautern didn't get near that the last time they played 2. Bundesliga:
2010 (1st place): 35k
Even when they won the league in 2010, they only got more than 40k in 5 out of 17 home games. Since Düsseldorf averaged 32k this season I think given the data it's fair to say that you can expect that there won't be a huge difference with Kaiserslautern.
I am sorry. I should have been clearer with my comments.
I meant something other than what I actually said. No way you could have known this.
What I actually meant was that the league would lose attendance with those three going in as compared to the three teams they will replace (Aachen, Rostock, KSC).
who got promoted to the 3Liga?
Halle, BVB II, Stuttgarter Kickers