2015 U20 Qualifying Roster

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Real Corona, Jun 27, 2013.

  1. genom

    genom Member

    May 27, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sold on him in the least, particularly as a CM. Far too slow, and not technical enough. Perhaps he's better higher up the field as an outright striker though.
     
  2. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    J.R. Eskilson ‏@JREskilson 18h
    Looks like @CalMensSoccer landed U20 MNT CB Trevor Haberkorn. Pretty nice replacement for Birnbaum-Dean (h/t @HatTrick_jose)
     
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  3. Sup Bro

    Sup Bro Member+

    Oct 26, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does he have to sit out a year or does that rule only basketball and football?
     
  4. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  5. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    That's only football and basketball IF the coach of the school a player is leaving gives the player what is called a release of his scholarship. No release and the player has to sit out a year.

    That very rarely happens in college soccer as coaches don't want to be seen as vindictive and what goes around comes around. I know when Mehdi Ballouchy left Creighton after his freshman year way back when, he didn't tell the coaches he was leaving till the summer so he had to sit out a year because Bob Warming (now at Penn State) didn't release him. But Santa Clara didn't want to burn a scholarship on a player who wasn't going to play so Ballouchy had to spend a season at community college, where he didn't play so he didn't burn a season of eligibility.

    That was over a decade ago. I'm sure it's happened since but the fact that the first instance that popped into my head was that long ago tells you how infrequently it's happened.

    Long story short, no way Furman's coach makes a YNT player sit out a year. It would hurt his rep in the soccer community way too much, not to mention likely have a negative impact on recruiting.
     
  6. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    And clearly that has nothing to do with how old you are. :D

    And just to be even more of a wise ass, iirc, Ben Strong had to sit out for Louisville last fall because Virginia Tech doesn't want to admit that its awfulness is actively driving players away.
     
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  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Clearly we need to petition FCD to have Kellyn Acosta wear one of these during their games!

    [​IMG]
     
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  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
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  9. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    At Oregon State they're willing to call him Biz but UNC wouldn't do that, which is why he transferred. True story.
     
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  10. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :confused:

    :)
     
  11. TwoThreeTwoThree

    Nov 23, 2011
    Actually, if there are two things about Lynden Gooch, they are that he is fast and technically excellent.
    I've watched him play from age 10 on -- speed and skill were his hallmarks, and (based on several excellent points of comparison), he's definitely on par with the best in that group in terms of speed and skill.

    It is entirely possible that his *decision making at a new position is slow. Also, I have no evidence to believe that he has a great ability to read the game, and move well off the ball. I am not sure why Ramos has him playing the #6 or #8 position. If this (a longer-term / permanent transition to that position) is something he has discussed with the player and the player's club coach, it would make sense; otherwise, it is a serious head-scratcher. I am surprised that a National Team coach would do such a thing (as opposed to a club coach, e.g., the way Guardiola and Bielsa play midfielders in central defense).
     
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  12. genom

    genom Member

    May 27, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Being marginally faster than kids while playing with CDA as a 15 year old does not mean he's fast. Skill and technique are not the same thing in my opinion.
     
  13. TwoThreeTwoThree

    Nov 23, 2011
    This is the definition of trolling.
    You don't even seem to know which club he played with.
    I never said he was marginally faster (at 15 or 17 or whatever).
    I did not equate skill with technique, and I don't know why you are the authority on deciding what is technique.

    I was merely relating a viewpoint based on watching the kid over many years. I did say -- looking at both sides of argument -- that he may have been slow with his decision making at CM. And I have watched a fair number of players in this pool and similar ones, both in person and on TV/online, etc.
    You, on the other hand, seem to have watched him, at best, on the recent string of Dallas Cup games where he has played in an unusual position for him, and decided that you can tell the quality of his technique (whatever *you* mean by that) and his speed (again, whatever, you mean by that).

    I'm done discussing this. While we all know that everything you see on these forums is *subjective*, if you can't handle views that differ from your own, good luck to you. If you wish to resort to cheaply twisting someone's sentences and turning it into a sound bite like "being marginally faster than kids while playing with CDA as a 15 year old", feel welcome to indulge in doing so. I'm done.
     
  14. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    Tab did this with Joya last cycle, who didn't play CM before with Santos Laguna or after so far with the Fire.
     
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  15. TwoThreeTwoThree

    Nov 23, 2011
    Yes, that is another example of Tab doing that.

    Btw, Joya was a CM (more of an #8 than a #10) while playing with De Anza in the Academy for 2-3 years (incl USSDA select game, etc.).

    In Gooch's case, I believe he played at #10 with Javier Perez last year (and playing there, I am told by a reliable source, that he was the team's best player in at least one tournament).
     
  16. Sup Bro

    Sup Bro Member+

    Oct 26, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The thing about Gooch being forced into the Center-mid role is that it should only be a temporary issue. We have plenty of players who should be able to fill that role going forward, which will hopefully allow him to move into a position he's more comfortable in. There's Acosta, Canouse, Delgado, Hyndman as obvious choices, then wildcard players like Lipe, Lickert, Kauter, Bailey, Castro (most of these guys are younger and I've only seem BS reports of them playing CM), and some surely some others that I'm forgetting.
     
  17. genom

    genom Member

    May 27, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been wrong before, and I'll quite surely be wrong again. Time will tell, but I'll certainly be pleased if I am wrong regarding this player.
     
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  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Brian's new article on Ben Spencer:

    http://americansoccernow.com/articles/six-foot-five-striker-ben-spencer-19-has-big-plans

    "I love working with Ben Spencer," Sommer added. "He comes early, and stays late. He wants to do extra finishing. He's asking a lot of questions. He's hungry. It is so refreshing to work with guys like that—they just can't get enough. Once training is over, you have other guys who can't wait to get out of there. He can't wait until training ends so he can work on his position-specific stuff. You know the guys got a bright future because he's willing to do all the extra stuff." Spencer sees the opportunity to play games against full-grown men rather than teenagers will help him develop crucial skills. During his time at Indy Eleven, Spencer will remain in contact with Molde and send the Norwegian club regular updates on his progress. Spencer makes it clear that he would “like to return back to Europe” once his loan is done but he definitely appreciates the opportunity in Indianapolis.
     
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  19. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Fans of the new Indy team will be glad to learn they have a bunch of guys who can't wait to leave training, with a notable exception being a guy who isn't their club's property.

    ;)
     
  20. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The kid definitely has a great work ethic, but shouldn't someone like him with a high ceiling (or at least what I've been told, I've barely seen him play, so I'm going off opinions from others) land somewhere better than Indy?
     
  21. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    There are better players at worse places and worse players at better places. I'd just as soon just try to focus on how he's doing where he is, like he is apparently doing. (Also, he's already under contract to an ostensibly "better" place than Indy, who sent him to where he is now...)
     
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  22. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    To add to what Dave said, Spencer is still a beanpole who just turned 19. If he can make it in the NASL at this stage of his development, he's doing plenty well for himself.
     
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  23. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm torn. If you really are a special player I tend to think you should be able to make the first team, especially at a low level like Molde. Maybe he'll be a late bloomer and turn into a decent senior level player.
     
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  24. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yup. The choice was probably between Indy and another season with Molde youth/reserve teams. Or I guess they could have tried to loan him to a lower-division Norwegian team.

    There is actually a player on Indy 11 that started (and won) a World Cup final..................for what its worth.

    And I'm sure a young player can learn about being a professional from a guy like Jurgen Sommer. He was on both our 1994 and 1998 World Cup squads. If Sommer hadn't had the misfortune of being born at the same time as Brad Friedel, Kasey Keller, and Tony Meola........................he'd have been a stalwart for the USMNT.
     
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