2014 In-Season Player Movement Discussion

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by revsfan603, Mar 8, 2014.

  1. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    I don't know if that matters. He has been in the league for more than 3 years and was over 24, so in theory he was on a guaranteed contract. Now, what has never been explained from the new CBA is when do those contracts become guaranteed. If they are when the option is picked up (which I believe is likely) then he was already on a guaranteed contract when they exercised his option in December.

    Of course how that works when a player is waived and then picked up by another team is anyone's guess.
     
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  2. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    New listing of DP's is up on MLS' site.

    http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/content/designated-players#overlay-context=content/media-resources

    Chara and Castillo no longer are DP's, and you can add Escobar as a young DP in Dallas (who has 3 of the 5 young Designated Players).

    Also, Montreal has reportedly signed Ignacio Piatti from San Lorenzo in Argentina and he will arrive in July (report says June but he can't actually be registered until the opening of the summer window on July 8th).
     
  3. EvilTree

    EvilTree Member+

    Canadian S.C
    Canada
    Nov 20, 2007
    Frozen Swampland, Soviet Canuckistan
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    according to this list, GAM is a DP. was there any announcement from DC about this?
     
  4. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
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  5. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does anyone know, if his contract was already guaranteed by the time they waived him, would the Rapids have any cap hit for Pickens at this point?
     
  7. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't see how. MLS is no longer paying him, the Rowdies are, unless this is actually a loan deal. Still, I'm not sure why Colorado didn't deal him directly to the Rowdies.
     
  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well yeah, that's the second issue in this, but if the Rapids are at least free of any salary cap ties to him we got out without hurting ourselves any more (we just didn't help ourselves).
     
  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well add another MLS oddity here:
    http://www.coloradorapids.com/news/2014/03/pickens-deal-good-everybody

    So if the Rapids sold Pickens to Tampa they would have had to take a hit on the cap. If Pickens stayed in NE they would have had to take a hit on the cap. But because he went to NE and NE sold him to Tampa, the Rapids have no hit on the cap. W.T.F.

    Or this is FO spin (something I wouldn't rule out).
     
  10. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #35 GalaxyKoa, Mar 26, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2014
    As best I can figure is this: Rowdies were interested in Pickens but thought he would pass waivers and sign him on a free. If that scenario went down, the Rapids would be on the hook for 100% of his salary toward the budget, and Pickens would have essentially been bought out of his contract by the league. If Pickens wanted to go to Tampa all along, that's the most financially lucrative course for him as it means his MLS buyout and his NASL contract.

    As it so happens, New England picks him up off waivers and now Tampa has to buy him. The transfer means he forgoes what is owed to him by MLS (therefore relieving the Rapids of a budget burden) in favor of a new contract with the Rowdies. Kind of a roundabout way of getting there but my guess is that Pickens was betting on not getting picked up.
     
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  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But why would the Rapids still have to take part of his salary in cap hit if they had sold him to Tampa (which is what Bravo states in the link)? If that's the case, are the Revs taking part of his salary as a cap hit now?

    Otherwise I agree with your logic.
     
  12. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My assumption is that Bravo was referring to him signing for Tampa after being waived. If they had sold him directly, there is no reason for his salary to be on the budget*. Same for New England (they also picked up a bit of allocation from the transfer fee).

    *It's not unheard of, outside of MLS, for a team to contribute part of a former player's old salary in addition to that of his new team, but it would be strange in this case since it appears there was a transfer fee. It usually happens to get a player off the budget and the only buyer (well, on a free transfer) can't afford the player's salary demands. The selling team could potentially pay the player a portion of his salary to join the new club. I suppose that could be the case here, but it seems unlikely.
     
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  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmm, that interpretation would make sense. Let me see if I can get an official clarification.
     
  14. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your assumption was correct, Bravo's statement was almost certainly referring to him going there after being waived (The media guy can't 100% confirm it until talking to Bravo, but he says he's pretty sure that's what he meant). That makes a hell of a lot more sense.
     
  15. EvilTree

    EvilTree Member+

    Canadian S.C
    Canada
    Nov 20, 2007
    Frozen Swampland, Soviet Canuckistan
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I'm curious to know what TB is paying Pickens for his wages, but it's gotta be pretty decent for an NASL GK. IIRC Pickens was on like 175k or something?

    I hope TB is not spending beyond their means, but getting a guy like Pickens is a coup for NASL
     
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  16. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Several reports out that SKC has signed Fluminense defender Igor Julião (whether it is a full transfer or loan is anyone's guess right now). Typically I would think that a young signing from Brazil is a player that was never in the Brazilian team's first team plans, but he apparently played in 19 games last year (14 starts) and also was on Brazil's U-20 South American Championship team last year. So he seems to be another young player that actually has some pedigree already coming to MLS.
     
  17. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chivas just waived Borja, which is pretty shocking since they had to have young Seattle loanee start as CB last week (& he looked horrid). Chivas is paper thin on defense I hope they have someone coming in.
     
  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. bwidell

    bwidell Member+

    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Not that surprised. I don't think Jack Mac stays in MLS after this year (he sounds like he wants big money to stay instead of going to Europe. And I wouldn't be surprised if Okugo has the same thought) so they are bringing in a local-ish kid that may rework his deal to a lower salary since he is near home.

    Actually, it is now official.

    http://www.philadelphiaunion.com/ne...enger-montreal-impact-exchange-jack-mcinerney
     
  21. EvilTree

    EvilTree Member+

    Canadian S.C
    Canada
    Nov 20, 2007
    Frozen Swampland, Soviet Canuckistan
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    of course Hack would do something stupid like this. people were starting to think he was competent or something

    straight swap of JackMac for Wenger is just outright criminal
     
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  22. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Say what now?

    McInerney is on the record saying he wants to go to Europe and would only consider staying in Philly after this season if they came to him with a big-money contract. Plus, he's been underperforming since his Gold Cup call up last year. Fine, he may have started out 2013 en fuego, but the dude blew his wad and the fanbase was getting very frustrated with him. Cut ties now.

    Time will tell if this is a good move or not.
     
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  23. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    If that's the case, it seems like a reasonable, if unambitious, move. Wasn't there talk of Wenger also playing in defense? If he's turning out to be a mediocre forward, it seems now is the time to convert him while he's still youngish.
     
  24. fuzzx

    fuzzx Member+

    Feb 4, 2012
    Brossard
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    He has excellent passings ability and good positional sense, he's probably best in some sort of mid field role.

    Honestly put him anywhere other than up front and he'll do quite well.
     
  25. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, no, no, the Union are already converting Aaron Wheeler from a forward to a CB.

    Hmmm, maybe Hack wants to play a 5-5-0.
     

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