2013 FIFA Club World Cup: Tournament News & Qualifiers [R]

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Dear god... when will they end this crap tournament and bring back the Intercontinental...

 

I like this tournamentbut it need become near the Meca of football, away from Japan, Portugal 2015 can be awesome, stadiums and airport are there, football fans from around the world (you can call those "inmigrants") too.

 

I'd prefer they had to go through real competitive competitions (Libertadores/Champions League) to get there. I'd rather they fought for a place in those competitions (Mexico from Concacaf, for example, competes in Libertadores) instead of whatever weaker (no disrespect meant) cup or tournament they have to win now to get there.

And yes, i know it would present a logistical problem, but i'm talking with a more competitive cup in mind, and I think this FIFA Club World Cup has been a real step down in that matter, compared to the old days Intercontinental Cups.

 

It was nice to see Ulsan Hyundai hold up one of those 'Going to Japan' ticket boards during their AFC Champions League celebrations last year. We often see that in the Libertadores. Would love to see it in all continental title celebrations.

 

I expect Corinthians to repeat as winners in libertadores, they have basically the same team and added Pato and Renato Augusto.

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why?.......because Argentine clubs can`t win the club world cup?

oohhhhhh

 

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As great as Libertadores is, Concacaf teams having to deal with Conmebol refs and always playing the 2nd leg of a final away at Conmebol.........yeah thats fair to us!!

I think its better now.

 

The team that plays the second-leg at home is determined by who had the better group-stage record.

 

I don`t think that applies to mexican teams.

 

Do you lot honestly think so? I really think it's just a way for FIFA to sell more television rights to other countrys... And I don't get the thing about Conmebol refs thing you mentioned, i mean, I know they suck, but they suck for everyone... And Mexico has already won a Sudamericana and many times has come close to winning the Libertadores, so I don't know what you're talking about.

And Jared9999, the Argentine thing... we don't even support other argentinians teams! I mean, I don't want Boca or River (for example) winning a Libertadores, and much less this competition.

 

The rule is applied consistently AFAIK. Atlas hosted a second-leg a few years ago. I know that wasn't the final, but Mexican teams only reached the final twice and both times they had a worse group stage record than their opponent.

 

¿You really don`t know what I`m talking about? Lets just say Mexico would have more than just 1 Sudamericana title if things really were even stevens for us.

I`m just kidding around about the whole Argentine teams can`t seem to win the Club World Cup............but truth is they haven`t won it

 

same thing happened in Sudamericana with 3 finals played in 4 editions.

 

Different tournament, different rules. In the Libertadores, Mexican teams have no disadvantage.

 

For a start the Mexican sides don't qualify via the Copa Libertadores. If a Mexican team won it, the CWC place would go to the runner up. Mexican teams qualify via their own confederation.

Another point is that the whole point of this competition is to bring together the champions of each continent to fight for a world title. It wouldn't make sense if teams had qualified via other confederations, then they wouldn't be champions of their own confederation would they?

And provided the UEFA & CONMEBOL teams win their semi-final, then what you end up with is the same thing anyway. Also it's not as if the CONMEBOL teams are blowing everyone else out of the water is it? If you take a look at CONMEBOL v CAF :

Corinthians 1-0 Al Ahly
Internacional 0-2 TP Mazembe
Boca Juniors 1-0 Étoile du Sahel
Internacional 2-1 Al Ahly

The games have been close, with CONMEBOL only scoring 1 more goal than CAF in total across the matchups.

 

Jus2nang. Yeah, i knew that about Mexico not getting the ticket through Libertadores, but it wouldn't be a problem to change that, would it? And while we're on this subject, what happens when a mexican team has to decide wheather to send its best players to play Libertadores or the Concacaf cup? Does the Concacaf competition has first priority compared to the Conmebol cups to Mexico teams? Or even does it have priority over its local league? I really don't follow them so close, but honestly, which does the team prefer to win?

Regarding the "bringing together the champions of each continent" point, i already said, I don't really think FIFA has that interest in mind at all, i think they just see the opportunity of exploiting other markets...

But I do concede your final point. "If the teams are so weak just beat them and that's that". And while they should it is no always the case, cause you know, it is still football and anything can happen, specially in knockout stages like that. I always saw that kind of matches kind of like the FA Cup or other local cups, when teams like Real Madrid or Manchester Utd sometimes can lose to 4th division underdogs (not the same, just have a resemblance to those matches)... And even as i say this I know it must sound like crazy elitist garbage, but i think you already know who would win in 9 out of 10 matches. So, while I do think that the stronger team has the obligation to win and that cannot in any way justify the losses with the other team's luck, or having a bad day, or beacause they lost to a penalty shootout, I still prefer that the competition narrows itself to the teams that had to go through the most challenging competitions possible, because right now even the clubs that get knocked out in (let's say) Libertadores semi-finals or Champions round 16, are (in my opinion, of course) easily stronger than the champions from Africa, Asia or Oceania. What I would want is not for them to be excluded, but to be included in some way (like having to win the asian confederation cup to then get a place in Champions group stage) in the more challenging Conmebol/Uefa competitions.