2013 FIFA Club World Cup: General In-Tournament Thread [R]

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  1. SwissGCZ

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    Tournament Home on FIFA.com

    UEFA: FC Bayern Munich (Germany)
    CONMEBOL: Clube Atlético Mineiro (Brazil)
    CONCACAF: CF Monterrey (Mexico)
    AFC: Guangzhou Evergrande FC (China)
    CAF: Al Ahly SC (Egypt)
    OFC: Auckland City FC (New Zealand)
    Host: Raja Club Athletic de Casablanca (Morocco)

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    Final Venue: Grand Stade de Marrakech

    Prize Money

    1. USD 5,000,000
    2. USD 4,000,000
    3. USD 2,500,000
    4. USD 2,000,000
    5. USD 1,500,000
    6. USD 1,000,000
    7. USD 500,000

    Total: 16.5 Million

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    Tournament Winners & Statistics:

    Intercontinental Cup

    1960 Real Madrid (ESP)
    1961 Peñarol (URU)
    1962 Santos (BRA)
    1963 Santos (BRA)
    1964 Inter Milan (ITA)
    1965 Inter Milan (ITA)
    1966 Peñarol (URU)
    1967 Racing Club (ARG)
    1968 Estudiantes (ARG)
    1969 AC Milan (ITA)
    1970 Feyenoord (NED)
    1971 Nacional (URU)
    1972 Ajax Amsterdam (NED)
    1973 Independiente (ARG)
    1974 Atlético Madrid (ESP)
    1975 No competition
    1976 Bayern Munich (GER)
    1977 Boca Juniors (ARG)
    1978 No competition
    1979 Olimpia (PAR)

    Toyota Cup

    1980 Nacional (URU)
    1981 Flamengo (BRA)
    1982 Peñarol (URU)
    1983 Grêmio (BRA)
    1984 Independiente (ARG)
    1985 Juventus (ITA)
    1986 River Plate (ARG)
    1987 FC Porto (POR)
    1988 Nacional (URU)
    1989 AC Milan (ITA)
    1990 AC Milan (ITA)
    1991 Red Star Belgrade (SER)
    1992 São Paulo (BRA)
    1993 São Paulo (BRA)
    1994 Vélez Sarsfield (ARG)
    1995 Ajax Amsterdam (NED)
    1996 Juventus (ITA)
    1997 Borussia Dortmund (GER)
    1998 Real Madrid (ESP)
    1999 Manchester United (ENG)
    2000 Boca Juniors (ARG)
    2001 Bayern Munich (GER)
    2002 Real Madrid (ESP)
    2003 Boca Juniors (ARG)
    2004 FC Porto (POR)
    [Merger with Club World Cup]*

    Club World Cup

    2000 Corinthians (BRA)
    2001 No competition
    2002 No competition
    2003 No competition
    2004 No competition
    [Merger with Toyota Cup]*
    2005 São Paulo (BRA)
    2006 Internacional (BRA)
    2007 AC Milan (ITA)
    2008 Manchester United (ENG)
    2009 FC Barcelona (ESP)
    2010 Inter Milan (ITA)
    2011 FC Barcelona (ESP)
    2012 Corinthians (BRA)
    2013 ???

    Clubs with Multiple Titles

    4 - AC Milan (ITA)
    3 - Boca Juniors (ARG)
    3 - Inter Milan (ITA)
    3 - Nacional (URU)
    3 - Peñarol (URU)
    3 - Real Madrid (ESP)
    3 - São Paulo (BRA)
    2 - Ajax Amsterdam (NED)
    2 - Bayern Munich (GER)
    2 - Corinthians (BRA)
    2 - FC Barcelona (ESP)
    2 - FC Porto (POR)
    2 - Independiente (ARG)
    2 - Juventus (ITA)
    2 - Manchester United (ENG)
    2 - Santos (BRA)

    Titles by Association

    10 - Brazil
    9 - Argentina
    9 - Italy
    6 - Spain
    6 - Uruguay
    3 - Germany
    3 - Netherlands
    2 - England
    2 - Portugal
    1 - Paraguay
    1 - Serbia

    Titles by Confederation

    26 - CONMEBOL
    26 - UEFA

    Mod Note: General discussion on the tournament and format is welcome provided it's constructive and on-topic. Distracting posts will either be deleted or moved.
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  2. EvanJ

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    First place pays only 25% more than second place. I've seen golf tournaments where first paid about double second place. I'm not saying one is right or wrong. I'm just commenting.
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    CONCACAF: CF Monterrey (MEX)

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    FRMF: Raja Club Athletic de Casablanca (MAR)

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    UEFA: FC Bayern München (GER)

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    CONMEBOL: Clube Atlético Mineiro (BRA)

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    AFC: Guangzhou Evergrande FC (CHN)

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    CAF: Al Ahly SC (EGY)

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    anything less than 3rd for Monterrey is a failure.
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    Something always happens to mexican teams that by the time the world cup comes around after they qualify to the Concacaf Champions League and win it they are far from their best. Must be due to scheduling.
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    TV Coverage Update

    Europe: Eurosport
    Germany: ARD (Bayern Matches)
    Middle East & North Africa: Al Jazeera Sports
    Australia: FOX Sports
    New Zealand: Sommet Sports
    China: CCTV

    I imagine FOX still has the rights in the USA?
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    I found the list of previous winners very interesting. I had always thought that European teams do not take this competition seriously. It looks more like it is only English clubs who have not held it in high regard. Only Man U having won it and both occasions were recent. Man U being the club most attuned to international marketing in this time obviously saw more value in it. During the late 70s and early 80s English clubs were fairly dominant in Europe and I would have expected the great Liverpool side in particular to have won it. Is it only English clubs that have not been enthusiastic about these tournaments? Wouldn't be that surprising as we were late to embrace both the European Cup and, incredibly, the World Cup.
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    So which is it, a struggling Monterrey or a lock for third place? :D

    How have they looked since the departure of Aldo de Nigris and coach Victor Manuel Vucetich?
    Historically the competition started out well and then struggled in the 70's (and was nearly discontinued) until Toyota stepped in and changed the format from a two-legged series to a single match in Tokyo. Keep in mind that the very concept of a club world title originated in Europe. The Intercontinental Cup was the brainchild of UEFA president Henri Delaunay. I would agree that today the tournament struggles the most in England as far as Europe is concerned. I'm sure part of that is the lack of winter break in the Premiership. We have nevertheless seen full strength UEFA line-ups for many years now, with determination to win this title. The English clubs have been no exception, regardless of what the public perception is back home.

    As far as former winners go, Liverpool is indeed the most notable name missing - along with Benfica. Barcelona also belonged in this category until the 2009 victory in Abu Dhabi.



    I was there in person. Great final.
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    Not taking it seriously could be one explanation why English didn't win.
    Another could be that the South American champions were the better side on each occasion. [​IMG]
    The 1984 meeting between Independiente and Liverpool was a bit of an emotional affair as it was built up as the first major meeting between teams from England and Argentina since the Falklands/Malvinas conflict. On that occasion I felt Independiente were the more determined to win.
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    Everything you say makes sense. I would like to see a midwinter break in England.
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    It is possible that South American teams were better throughout the 78-84 period when 6 of the 7 European representatives were English. I think that it is unlikely to have been the case. As noted elsewhere the tournament as a whole struggled during this time and did not even happen during 1975. It is also notable that Italian clubs have done remarkably well. Those from Milan in particular.
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    The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

    The competition also did not go ahead in 1978. Additionally there were five years where the European champions declined to play and the runner-up was invited instead. Often quoted were the hostile away legs in South America as the reason. Luckily only Atlético Madrid managed to take advantage of that situation thereby limiting "undeserved" winner entries to one. Coming back to Liverpool, in total they had five chances to win the title:

    1977: Liverpool declined to play. Borussia Mönchengladbach invited instead.
    1978: No competition. Boca Juniors and Liverpool declined to play each other.
    1981: 3-0 defeat to Flamengo.
    1984: 1-0 defeat to Independiente.
    2005: 1-0 defeat to Sao Paulo.

    The low point was arguably the loss to Zico's Flamengo:



    Anyway, the 70's were one decade in now over five where the competition has been played in some shape or form. The tournament is still making a name for itself in Europe but it's a very entertaining way to close out the year. And as long as all participants show up determined to win you've got a competition worth watching.
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    Undoubtedly it is a worthwhile and entertaining tournament. It is certain to become more important as clubs increasingly try to market themselves worldwide. Chelsea made no secret that they wanted to win it when they had their chance. At least the hierarchy did. The players were quoted as not realising the magnitude of it til they got there. I can only see it growing over the next decade.
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    What leads you to this conclusion? Your heart or your head?
    The tournament clearly struggled with the two-legged format which is why Japan/Toyota offered to stage a one-off from 1980 onwards.
    I realize you're a fan of English football but I don't think you should be selling short the clubs that defeated English clubs... or any European club, for that matter.

    The inaugural 1980 match was played in February '81. Forest had already been knocked out of Europe and the League Cup by the time they met up with Nacional, who included five members of the Uruguay side that had won the Mundialito one month earlier.
    The Flamengo side that destroyed Liverpool in '81 is considered part of that club's 'Golden Era'. No shame getting ripped apart by that squad.
    Aston Villa's opponents, Peñarol, were just coming off winning the Uruguayan league and would reach the Libertadores final the following year.
    I already mentioned Independiente in '84, who were probably more determined to beat Liverpool for non-football related issues.
    And here's Steven Gerrard accepting congratulations from Sao Paulo's Rogerio Ceni following the awards ceremony. It's well known that European fans don't take the Club World Championship seriously but I don't think we should conclude that it translates to how the players competing for the trophy feel.
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    Sucks SBS here in Australia don't have the rights no more :(
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    I'm not doing down South American football clubs. This particular period was the one when English club were the best in Europe. All I was saying is that I think it unlikely that the SA sides would win all those matches. That said Liverpool in 84 would have been the best English team to play. No player wants to lose any match but they do come from the same football culture as the fans - this was more true in the 70s and 80s. If they put a higher priority on other matches, even subconsciously, it makes a difference.

    The Liverpool side in 2005 was not a particularly good team and I would not have expected them to win.
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    English clubs dominated the premier competition but based on the coefficient rankings Bundesliga clubs were the best in Europe as a whole during the late 70s-early 80s.

    But they did!
    Unless you're talking about 77-79, in which case it's just speculation.


    As for higher priority, in the case of Liverpool '84 their league position was 9th at the moment they kicked off against a motivated Independiente. The next five league encounters awaiting them upon returning home that may or may not have been on their minds while in Tokyo were against clubs in 18th, 15th, 17th, 20th and 16th position. [​IMG]
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    The Mexican teams suffer of a well documented condition called "campeonitis": every champion will "suck" the next season. This has been true for like 20 years.
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    1995 should had been Grêmio again. Played better than Ajax and Rivarola was unfairly red carded in the beginning of the 2nd half for an innocent quite light tackle on an Ajax player.

    That Ajax team was considered as good as Barcelona was considered a couple of years ago, and still, Grêmio only lost on penalties.
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    some full matches of the past








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