2013-2014 DFB Pokal (German Cup) Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Borussia Dortmund' started by footyfan1, Jun 16, 2013.

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How Far Borussia Dortmund Go In The 2013-2014 DFB Pokal (German Cup)?

Poll closed Dec 16, 2013.
  1. Borussia Dortmund Will Win The 2014 German Cup Final

    8 vote(s)
    50.0%
  2. Borussia Dortmund Will Lose The Cup Final

    2 vote(s)
    12.5%
  3. Borussia Dortmund Will Lose In The Semi-Finals

    3 vote(s)
    18.8%
  4. Borussa Dortmund Will Lose In The Quarter-Finals

    2 vote(s)
    12.5%
  5. Borussia Dortmund Will Lose In The Second Round

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Borussia Dortmund Will Be Upset At SV Wihelmshaven

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. I Don't Know

    1 vote(s)
    6.3%
  1. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    You meant Gomez, right? ;)
     
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  2. heynckes' hanging leftnut

    Feb 27, 2013
    Yeah, when a player has had enough, they've had enough.
     
  3. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Then its time for them to "shape up or ship out"
     
  4. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Pep's task was to evolve this team so they don't get stagnant (see Barca and what happened because they forced Pep out and failed to address potential issues until too late) and instill more hunger/keep players hungry. Massive task.
     
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  5. heynckes' hanging leftnut

    Feb 27, 2013
    In an excerpt from pirlo's autobiography, it says that in 2010 (just before the world cup i think), pep tried very hard to get milan to let him go. He wanted him to rotate in midfield with xavi, iniesta and busquets. Pirlo wanted very much to join baca. Imagine what a team that would have probably been...
     
  6. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Pirlo would provide the same thing Xavi did. It's either Xavi or Pirlo, both would be redundant. It wouldn't have significantly improved Barça other than having depth in the "controller" part of Barcelona's midfield trio.
     
  7. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Spot on.
     
  8. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    But that's every coach's job. ;)
     
  9. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many of them have to deal with rosters like Barca's and Bayern's??
     
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  10. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Well, count the top teams in each league. ;)

    The point, I believe, was that a coach's task was to evolve their team to avoid stagnation...not that the roster added any level of difficulty (which, of course, it does). I merely pointed out that the task extended to all coaches. It's not like there are coaching licenses for regular coaches and coaches who want to coach top teams. The core of every coach's job is essentially the same.
     
  11. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think Robben is one of the 5 best players in the world when fit. Problem is that he is only fit for about 30 matches per season.
     
  12. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    IMHO Pirlo is a significantly better player in every facet of the game when compared to Xavi. If Pep were to base his player selection on performance Xavi would find himself on the bench more often than not if he had to compete with Pirlo.
     
  13. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    FYP
     
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  14. PolishDortmund

    Dec 16, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    For a long time I thought Ribery is better than Robben but that changed one year ago. Robben reached his absolute peak while Ribery started slipping a little.
     
  15. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm not sure of that. Xavi was mercurial in his prime, and he outclassed Pirlo in EURO 2012 when it came to taking control of the match.
     
  16. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I don't think Xavi personally outclassed him as much as the Spanish team overall outclassed Italy. Let's also not forget that Pirlo was already well past his prime by the time Euro 2012 happened. While both are past their primes, Pirlo has been playing at a WC level for much longer than Xavi.
     
  17. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Pirlo and Xavi aren't far apart. I'd still give the edge to Xavi though. He was the glue for the best ever club team and best ever National Team.

    I agree now Pirlo is in better form but also playing in more stable team.
     
  18. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If we look at their entire careers Pirlo has been in better form for a much longer period of time. Xavi was basically a great player for 4-5 seasons max whereas Pirlo has been consistently a top midfielder for over a decade.
     
  19. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    But again, do you recall Xavi's early career? Shuffled around into different positions. He wasn't properly utilized and found his position until later, unlike Pirlo who benefitted from Ancelotti's early observation that he would be best deeper with proper protection next to him.
     
  20. FaceLess

    FaceLess Red Card

    Mar 19, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Whoa alot of "best ever" talk. I agree if Football started in 2008.

    Pirlo was better than Xavi
     
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  21. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    ROFL...I was thinking the same thing. Best ever team and national team? I don't think so. Not even close.
     
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  22. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No other team ever accomplished what Spain accomplished between 2008-2012. Best club team is arguable, but best national team there's a clear gulf there between Spain and the others.
     
  23. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Also, I'm shocked at how knee-jerk this sentiment of Pirlo>>>>>>>>Xavi is. Xavi has had the better career and two years ago, we wouldn't have been discussing Pirlo vs Xavi at all.
     
  24. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    No one is arguing they were the best national team during that time. Results speak for themselves. The disagreement was with the term "best ever" which is arguable at best.
     
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  25. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No other national team won two back-to-back continental championships sandwiched between a World Cup in the entire age of organized football IIRC. Spain's results have been unprecedented, and I wouldn't hold it against anyone if they said Spain was in fact the best-ever.
     

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