2012 MLS Magic and Tragic Numbers

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by aletheist, Sep 3, 2012.

  1. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good catch, thanks.
     
  2. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So should Philly throw their game against Houston just to piss off New Yorkers?
     
  3. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes....in a totally unbiased way :D
     
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  4. nlsanand

    nlsanand Member+

    May 31, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Like Lazio fans cheering for their own team to lose against Inter just to screw over Roma.
     
  5. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    What's the line on the game?:cautious:
     
  6. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    This happened, so I guess the East teams are "set" in that we know who will be in the playoffs, just not what seed.

    Congrats to DCU in particular. Sporting would have to lose at home to Philly, but if they do, DCU could even win the Eastern Conference with a win @ Chicago. Wow.
     
  7. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are the updated Eastern Conference numbers after tonight's results; corrections are always welcome. Keep in mind that I am not taking the goals scored tiebreaker into account, even though it is pretty much settled at this point.
    Code:
    EASTERN CONFERENCE
    Rank Team  Pts   GR   MP   TN   MN   T4   T3   T2   1P   SS
      1   SKC   60    1   63   **   **   **   **   **    1   --
      2   DCU   57    1   60   **   **   **    1    1    7   --
      3   CHI   56    1   59   **   **    1    2    3   --   --
      4   NYR   54    1   57   **   **    3    6   --   --   --
      5   HOU   53    1   56   **   **    5   --   --   --   --
      6   CLB   49    1   52   --   --   --   --   --   --   --
      7   MON   42    1   45   --   --   --   --   --   --   --
      8   PHL   36    2   42   --   --   --   --   --   --   --
      9   NER   32    1   35   --   --   --   --   --   --   --
     10   TOR   23    1   26   --   --   --   --   --   --   --
    
    Congratulations to SJE on clinching the 2012 Supporters' Shield.
     
  8. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eastern Conference scenarios for the final week, this time applying the goals scored tiebreaker assuming no changes in the current rankings; corrections welcome:
    • SKC finishes 1st with a win or draw vs PHL, or a DCU loss or draw at CHI.
    • DCU finishes 1st with a win at CHI plus an SKC loss vs PHL.
    • DCU finishes 2nd with a win or draw at CHI plus an SKC win or draw vs PHL.
    • DCU finishes 3rd with a loss at CHI plus an NYR loss or draw at PHL.
    • DCU finishes 4th with a loss at CHI plus an NYR win at PHL.
    • CHI finishes 2nd with a win vs DCU.
    • CHI finishes 3rd with a draw vs DCU plus an NYR loss or draw at PHL, or a loss vs DCU plus an NYR loss or draw at PHL plus a HOU loss or draw at COL.
    • CHI finishes 4th with a draw vs DCU plus an NYR win at PHL, or a loss vs DCU plus an NYR win at PHL plus a HOU loss or draw at COL, or a loss vs DCU plus an NYR loss or draw at PHL plus a HOU win at COL.
    • CHI finishes 5th with a loss vs DCU plus an NYR win at PHL plus a HOU win at COL.
    • NYR finishes 3rd with a win at PHL.
    • NYR finishes 4th with a loss or draw at PHL plus a HOU loss or draw at COL.
    • NYR finishes 5th with a loss or draw at PHL plus a HOU win at COL.
    • HOU finishes 3rd with a win at COL plus a CHI loss vs DCU plus an NYR loss or draw at PHL.
    • HOU finishes 4th with a win at COL plus a CHI loss vs DCU plus an NYR win at PHL, or a win at COL plus a CHI win or draw vs DCU plus an NYR loss or draw at PHL.
    • HOU finishes 5th with a loss or draw at COL, or a win at COL plus a CHI win or draw vs DCU plus an NYR win at PHL.
     
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  9. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Over on the DCU board . . .
    Good catch, thanks. Not sure how I missed that.
     
  10. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are the updated Western Conference numbers; only the hosting order of the playoff rematch between SEA and RSL is still to be settled. SEA (at LAG) is 5 ahead of RSL (vs VAN) on goals scored, so they will almost certainly take 2nd place with an equal or better result.
    Code:
    WESTERN CONFERENCE
    Rank Team  Pts   GR   MP   TN   MN   T4   T3   T2   1P   SS
      1   SJE   65    1   68   **   **   **   **   **   **   **
      2   SEA   56    1   59   **   **   **   **    4   --   --
      3   RSL   56    1   59   **   **   **   **    4   --   --
      4   LAG   51    1   54   **   **   **   --   --   --   --
      5   VAN   42    1   45   **   **   --   --   --   --   --
      6   FCD   38    1   41   --   --   --   --   --   --   --
      7   COL   34    1   37   --   --   --   --   --   --   --
      8   POR   33    1   36   --   --   --   --   --   --   --
      9   CHV   29    1   32   --   --   --   --   --   --   --
    
     
  11. nlsanand

    nlsanand Member+

    May 31, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    If you're Seattle or RSL, do you care that much? I might think it better to sit my players, if the only reward is the second leg.
     
  12. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Other things at stake would be moving/staying ahead of DC and Chicago for potential MLS Cup home field advantage, and moving into 3rd place overall, which will mean CCL qualification if either SJ or KC reach MLS Cup.
     
  13. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Through Oct-21, Wondo 26: Chivas 22.
     
  14. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Tony Edwards had the same impression that '99 NY had -34 GD as well, ;):
    http://www.ussoccerplayers.com/ussoccerplayers/2012/10/questions-goal-difference.html
     
  15. nlsanand

    nlsanand Member+

    May 31, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Also makes sense given that they'll have a bye to the quarters, it's not like they'll play right away.
     
  16. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    SKC has clinched 1st place and will face the winner of the wildcard game in the Eastern Conference semifinals, hosting the 2nd leg. There are 27 potential combinations of results on Saturday that will determine the other match-ups in the playoffs. Here are the possibilities, assuming that none of the goals scored tiebreakers change from how they would be applied currently.
    • 2 scenarios (7%): If NYR loses or draws at PHL, DCU wins at CHI, and HOU wins at COL, then the wildcard game is CHI-NYR (CHI hosts) and the other semifinal is DCU-HOU (DCU hosts 2nd leg).
    • 3 scenarios (11%): If NYR wins at PHL and CHI wins vs DCU, then the wildcard game is DCU-HOU (DCU hosts) and the other semifinal is CHI-NYR (CHI hosts 2nd leg).
    • 6 scenarios (22%): If NYR wins at PHL and DCU wins or draws at CHI, then the wildcard game is CHI-HOU (CHI hosts unless CHI loses vs DCU and HOU wins at COL) and the other semifinal is DCU-NYR (DCU hosts 2nd leg).
    • 16 remaining scenarios (59%): The wildcard game is NYR-HOU (NYR hosts unless HOU wins at COL) and the other semifinal is DCU-CHI (DCU hosts unless CHI wins vs DCU).
    So far NYR has 54 goals, DCU 52, HOU 48, and CHI 45; so there is only a slight chance of a reshuffle in this order that would affect the final standings.
     
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  17. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Exactly, there are only very small chances of a total GS reshuffle occurring this weekend.

    It would take something like NY winning 1-0 at Philly and DC losing 4-5 at Chicago for United to claim the 3 seed ahead of NY as the 4 seed (with the team tied on 57 points).

    (Or something like CHI losing but scoring 3 more goals than a winning Houston side this weekend, for CHI to overtake HOU on the GS tiebreaker if both teams finish on 56 points.)

    (But what I am most interested in seeing is a NY shutout loss at Philly and then HOU and Colorado playing to a 7-7 tie, or higher, so HOU grabs the 4 seed with 54 points but more GS than NY.)
     
  18. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    It's official: Following the conclusion of 2012 Regular Season, a new record has been set for the "Injustice Gap" (9 points: E6 CLB.'s 52 vs. W5 VAN.'s 43), topping the previous record set in 1999 (8 points: W5 S.J.'s 37 vs. E4 MIA.'s 29).
     
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  19. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    We're setup perfectly for a Vancouver MLS Cup win.
     
  20. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    If indeed happen, it will top '05 L.A. and '09 RSL as the largest playoffs upset, ever...
     
  21. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The real question, was Pando sand-bagging his way through the regular season (No goals in 62? shots not from the penalty spot - before bagging the game-winner in MLS Cup) to change the odds. Now that he's been banned for life by FIFA, his whole career is suspect.
     
  22. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    We had a big discussion on this in the Galaxy forum, consensus was he sucked the whole season then won big on a prop bet for first goal scorer in the MLS Cup final.
     
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  23. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also noteworthy is the fact that Columbus missed the playoffs entirely despite earning more points this year (52) than the team that finished in first place (SKC) did last year (51).
     
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  24. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    All the more, both teams had played 34 games.

    Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?

    [​IMG]
     
  25. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Time for a 2013 edition?

    If I've done my figuring correctly, DC United currently has a tragic number of 3 for the Supporters' Shield race. (It would be 2, but RSL doesn't have any games left against Colorado, KC, or the Red Bulls.)

    Their playoff tragic number is 7.
     
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