2012 Hot seat or getting warm seat

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Cliveworshipper, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Think of it this way: Over the last 6 years, Oregon's average ARPI rank (using the 2012 ARPI formula) has been 80.0. Over his five years at LMU, Mallia's average ARPI rank (again using the 2012 ARPI formula) was 68.2. So, at a mid-major, his teams were ranked on average over his five years about 12 positions higher than Oregon's over the last six years. If indeed he is getting serious consideration, of which I have no idea, perhaps that would explain it?
     
  2. Mark Johnson

    Mark Johnson Member

    Dec 18, 2012
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    PSV Eindhoven
    Solid points....can't argue with that logic.
     
  3. Crewfan 1986

    Crewfan 1986 New Member

    May 14, 2012
    Word on the street is that Mertz to Oregon
     
  4. Morris20

    Morris20 Member

    Jul 4, 2000
    Upper 90 of nowhere
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Did she ever even establish residency at SLU?
     
  5. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    St. Louis had five wins this year. Best win was against a 175 RPI team.
     
  6. SoccerTrustee

    SoccerTrustee Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Please tell me that is not true. She got fired from Texas, with an absurdly huge budget and resources to work with. And then does nothing at SLU. So she should get rewarded with a PAC-12 job, that makes sense. There were some awful hires last year, this one would trump all of them if true.
     
  7. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    Cliveworshipper repped this.
  8. RecruitingCoach

    RecruitingCoach New Member

    Dec 13, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
  9. SoccerTrustee

    SoccerTrustee Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Unbelievable. This may be the only profession I know of that rewards mediocrity and inexperience. Oregon had a chance to get a good hire and totally blew it. Did they only look at females? Even if that were the case they could find a better coach than Mertz. There are only a few decent female coaches out there but they could have found one. Expect this position to open up in 3-4 years again as she won't do a thing there.
     
  10. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
  11. Morris20

    Morris20 Member

    Jul 4, 2000
    Upper 90 of nowhere
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Erickson lasted 8 years. So I double your estimate of how long Mertz lasts . . .
     
  12. DrGoat

    DrGoat Member

    Nov 1, 2011
    All the other PAC-12 coaches got an early Christmas present with this hire!

    I don't have the time to put together all the research/data from her tenure at UNLV, Texas and SLU to show how this is one of the most unwarranted hires of the year.....maybe even over the past decade!

    Can't scratch my head on this one because I won't have any hair left if I do.....so perhaps after I stop laughing I will put something together....
     
  13. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    To be fair, Tara's teams got better in the beginning. In her second or third year, they beat USC and UCLA the same weekend and claimed second place in the PAC. That's probably why she lasted as long as she did.
     
  14. Morris20

    Morris20 Member

    Jul 4, 2000
    Upper 90 of nowhere
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    There should be a law requiring anyone mentioning that weekend to also mention that those were Oregon's ONLY Pac10 points that season. They went to SoCal 0-6 in conference.
     
  15. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Somebody needs to ask BYU's central defender lindsi Lissonbee Cutsall if she is interested in soccer after college. She was bar none the best central defender in the country. Had size, speed, skills, and attitude. If it wasn't for a miracle save off the line, UNC would have gone home.

    I fear she doesn't want to do the work, though.
     
  16. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    haha. the pain may have colored your memory.


    to be accurate, Oregon had exactly ONE loss in conference in 2006, to Stanford 0-1. Stanford had two losses, to UCLA, and I think USC. It was the second best record in the conference.
    [​IMG]

    They didn't make the tournament and felt they were robbed in a conspiracy engineered by Portland, according to a Eugene newspaper article the next year. we were apparently scared of them ( UP beat them 3-0 in the regular season)

    the fact that they had bad non conference losses to UC riverside, Long Beach State, and LMU didn't seem to enter into the conspiracy theory. and the idea that Portland could engineer a conspiracy with the record of being sent on the road with a #1 ranking is comical. Its also pretty comical that UP would chose to have to take their High seed on the road at 4500 feet to play BYU and Utah instead of hosting Oregon.
     
  17. Morris20

    Morris20 Member

    Jul 4, 2000
    Upper 90 of nowhere
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    I stand corrected. I didn't realize they had done that well in league, or that the Pac10 was that weak that year. I do remember the whinging.
     
  18. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    I didn't get it totally right. Stanford's losses were UCLA and CAL.
     
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  19. oneofnine

    oneofnine Member

    Nov 21, 2011
    while you can't blame Mertz for getting the job, it sure is nice to be a female in this profession....GENERALLY speaking the definition of success is different & ability to move up the ladder is easier....no question. You can however blame the administration for their lack of courage, creativity & concern for the student-athletes and program. While this may be the worst of the year so far, these types of hirings have become a broken record..........there are 50 male coaches with markedly better resumes than her.
     
  20. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
  21. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    Looking at the old Soccer America rankings, they were ranked 17 at selection time. I'm not sure what that says about RPI v. rankings.

    This was before we had the benefit of the fine work by CPThomas and GoCourage in decoding the workings of the RPI.
     
  22. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I originally started my RPI work in early 2007 because Oregon did not get seeded in '06. I wanted to understand why and suspected Oregon was hurt by a regional bias inherent in the RPI. I did verify there is a regional bias, but I've never gone back and looked to see where Oregon fit within the RPI rankings. I see from the "Final" RPI Team Sheets for the 2006 season, which are available at the RPI Archive, that Oregon was ranked #50 in the ARPI. The "Final" includes the NCAA Tournament. The NCAA has not published the "Selection" ratings for 2006, which are through the end of the regular season, but I'm suspecting that Oregon's Selection rating was poorer than in the Final. If so, it's possible they were not even a bubble team.

    As a matter of interest, Oregon's non-conference record was 6-5. All of their non-conference wins were against teams ranked #99 or poorer in the Final ARPI. On the other hand, they had a win against #3 UCLA in the Final ARPI. If they were a bubble team these days, that very likely would get them an at large selection. That's partly why I'm suspecting they might not even have made it into the bubble.
     
  23. RecruitingCoach

    RecruitingCoach New Member

    Dec 13, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Only question left is whether she takes her SLU staff with her...thoughts? Can't say I'm real familiar with either of her assistants, but on the surface it seems like she could've done a better to help herself out in those 2 hires...1 assistant that was part of the disaster that was Northwestern, and another with no collegiate level coaching/recruiting, albeit top-level club experience. Neither look like they have any West Coast history.
     
  24. StevenLa

    StevenLa Member

    Jan 27, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This is truly a case of not what you know or how you have done, but who you know.
     

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