2012-2013 Offseason Roster/Formation discussion

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by tonhtubra, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I left the positional breakdown as I have had it for the most part above, but yes based off of some of the articles on the website you could argue it looks more like this.

    2013 Positional breakdown
    2 GK - Ceus, Pickens
    6 Defs - Calderon, Kindle, Klute, Moor, Wallace, Wynne
    8 Mids who have defensive duties, if not play defensive positions - Armstrong, LaBrocca, Mastroeni, Mullan, O'Neill, Powers, Sturgis, Thomas
    9 Attackers - Akpan, Brown, Buddle, Cascio, Castrillon, Harris, Harbottle, Hill, Rivero
     
  2. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    An attempt at a depth chart based on 4-3-3

    GK: 1. Pickens 2. Ceus
    LB: 1. Calderon 1a. Wallace 1b. Klute 1c. Kindle 1z. Moor
    LCB: 1. Moor 1a. Calderon 2. Sturgis 2a. Klute
    RCB: 1. Wynne 1a. Moor 2. Sturgis 2a. Klute
    RB: 1. Wynne 1a. Mullan 1b. Moor 2. Armstrong 2a. Klute
    Holding Mid: 1 Thomas 2 Pablo 3 O'Neill 3a Sturgis
    Box-to-Box Mid: 1 LaBrocca 2 Powers 2a Pablo
    Attacking Mid: 1 Rivero 2 Harbottle 2a Hill
    LW: 1 Harbottle 2 Castrillon 2a Cascio 3 Harris 3a Brown
    RW: 1 Brown 1a Harris 2 Mullan
    ST: 1 Buddle 2 Akpan 2a Brown
     
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  3. Soaker888

    Soaker888 Member+

    Feb 21, 2012
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Aside from the current defensive numbers, the depth is looking positively adequate compared to last season. I can only assume that by the end of January/1st part of Feb. we will have shored up the defense with another couple of (hopefully) solid options. Do we have a final word on Calistron and the Milionarios yet?
     
  4. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Per depth chart articles posted on Rapids page (Moderator Steve already posted previously)
    MULLAN is #1 RB (For now);)

    Sorry for bold but this point seems to keep getting lost here.:(
     
  5. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or you need to go back and reread the article. It never says Mullan is #1. It just states this:

    and suggests these two scenarios
    Also, that is why I put Wynne and Mullan as 1 and 1a. Who takes that spot depends on who wins other spots. I threw Moor in as 1b because they also have confidence in him playing that position as demonstrated last year.

    Mullan is not the clear #1 choice no matter how badly you want that to happen. He is apparently one of the options though. There are questions all over the field and depending on who outshines at one position is going to have ramifications at other positions.
     
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  6. BeTheRed

    BeTheRed Member

    May 16, 2006
    I've got Pablo in my depth chart as a CB as well as mid. He used to play a pretty mean CB earlier in his career and that may be a better position for him at this point.
     
  7. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weird, I looked at it/ read it right after it was posted here and it actual had a chart with Mullan listed in 1st slot. Not there anymore, matter of fact all of their ranking charts are gone now.

    either my flu is worse then I thought or I can now fantasize in my own rank charts.

    Sorry all for putting bad info out.
     
  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So 25 players as camp opens today, 3-5 open slots. Can we agree that the panic a month ago about how many open slots we had was a little overplayed?
     
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  9. fischerw

    fischerw Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    Joplin, MO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of those spots will have to go to a goalkeeper, so 2-4 spots left for field players. One or two of them ought to be a CB.
     
  10. 22SteveD

    22SteveD Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2011
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For me it was never about open slots but lack of any "pursuit for quality".
     
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  11. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    Thanks for keeping the list, there's been a lot of changes.

    The team must be pretty far under the cap. Here's just something to throw out there, giving intentionally high guesses on those we don't know, and adding 10% to the 2012 figures you've listed, and then just totaling the top 20 salaries (maybe Powers would break into the top 20; I haven't counted Brown since he's GA):

    Code:
    Wynne     300,000
    Thomas    300,000
    Buddle    247,500
    Moor      220,000
    Calderon  200,000
    Pickens   195,800
    Mullan    167,200
    Harris    165,000
    Mastroeni 160,000
    Labrocca  107,800
    Harbottle 100,000
    Sturgis    97,900
    Wallace    69,300
    Akpan      62,700
    Rivero     55,000
    Armstrong  48,400
    Ceus       48,400
    Hill       48,400
    O'Neill    48,400
    Cascio     48,400
    -----------------   
    Top 20  2,641,800
    
    I'm probably low on what will eventually be negotiated as LaBrocca's deal, and probably some other guys. But with such liberal estimates, I must also be high on a bunch of guys (like Wynne, Thomas and Calderon?), too.

    I think the cap for 2013 is $2,949,187.50. (If they just increase by 5% each year from the $2,675,000 starting point in year 1 of the CBA. I'm too lazy to look it up.) We have a pretty good idea the numbers in the Players Association's list are not a cap number. Even so, I'm guessing the Rapids are still well under.
     
  12. FC Denver

    FC Denver Member

    Feb 6, 2007
    Denver
    My opinion on how this may play out for start of season:

    GK: 1. Pickens 2. Ceus
    LB: 1. Kindle 2. Calderon 3. Wallace 4. Klute
    LCB: 1. Calderon 2. Moor 3a Sturgis/Mastro/Klute/O'Neill
    RCB: 1. Moor 2. Wynne 3a Sturgis/Mastro/Klute/O'Neill
    RB: 1. Wynne 2. Mullan 3. Armstrong 4. Klute
    2 Holding Mids: 1 Thomas 2 Pablo 3 LaBrocca/Powers 4 O'Neill/Sturgis
    Attacking Mids: 1 Rivero 2 Hill 3 Harbottle/Castrillon
    LW: 1 Castrillon/Cascio 2 Harbottle 3 Brown
    RW: 1 Mullan 2 Brown/Harris/Hill
    ST: 1 Buddle 2 Akpan/Brown

    Obviously, I left some flexibility with the use slashes :p
    If we shore up our defensive liabilities from last season, we may be a playoff team with the above roster, IMO. Now if we shore up the defensive liabilities from last season AND sign a DP attacking player with our extra cap-space, we may just be in teh contender range.
     
  13. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    There's a lot of unknowns at this point since there have been so many changes. A lot will depend on where Calderon's strengths are--will be a LCB or leftback. I suppose if he can play both positions, we'd see a lot of different combinations to start.

    Then there's the issue of Wallace's knee and whether that's set him back. I have a hard time seeing Klute behind Armstrong and Kindle starting the season as the first choice leftback.

    I have no idea what they have in mind for Pablo. So it will be interesting to see what happens there. Harbottle's a real mystery, too. I guess camp performance will be very important for him.
     
  14. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am so ready for them to start practicing and even more for them to start playing some games that are hopefully webcasted. With so many new faces it is hard to know anything definitively. At this point I feel safe in saying that Pickens is the GK. Thomas is the d-mid. Rivero is the CAM. Buddle is the Striker. That's about it. It is a good thing having guys who can play a lot of positions, but man does it make the waters murky for outside observers.
     
  15. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Adding Dillon Serna. Also still considering LaBrocca/Avila deal done. Still not including Castrillon move, but that is seeming more likely.

    Down to only 2-4 roster slots. Will get two more in supplemental draft but no guarantee they make the final roster. There probably will be some invitees to camp as well.

    Important notes. Brown and Powers had signed contracts with MLS prior to the draft. If the wording in the story about players at camp is correct, Kory Kindle had not but I doubt that will be much of an issue.

    ***Base salary is in parentheses. Internationals marked with *. I ordered them according to 2012 base salary. If new deal has been done I have replaced salary to ???***
    2012/2013 Offseason Roster Tracking
    1. Wynne (???)
    2. Mastroeni (???)
    3. Moor (200)
    4. Thomas* (???)
    5. Pickens (178)
    6. Mullan (152)
    7. Wallace (63)
    8. Akpan (57)
    9. Rivero* (50)
    10. Castrillon* (50)
    11. Armstrong (44-HG)
    12. Ceus (44)
    13. Hill (44)
    14. O'Neill (44-HG)
    15. Cascio (44)
    16. Klute (34)
    17. Casey (400) Harris (150)
    18. Larentowicz (200) Buddle (225)
    19. Smith (148) Sturgis (89)
    20. Edu* (120) Calderon* (???)
    21. Freeman (105) Harbottle* (???)
    22. Marshall (90) LaBrocca (???)
    23. Cummings (82) Brown (???-GA)
    24. Zapata* (65) Powers (???)
    25. Wahl (65) Kindle (???)
    26. Palguta (63) Serna (???-HG)
    27. Nane (44)
    28. Joyce (44)
    29. Unfilled in 2012
    30. Unfilled in 2012

    End of 2012 Positional breakdown
    3 GKs - Ceus, Joyce, Pickens
    9 Defs - Freeman, Klute, Marshall, Moor, Palguta, Wahl, Wallace, Wynne, Zapata
    9 Mids - Armstrong, Larentowicz, Mastroeni, Mullan, Nane, O'Neill, Rivero, Smith, Thomas
    7 Fwds - Akpan, Cascio, Casey, Castrillon, Cummings, Edu, Hill

    2013 Positional breakdown
    2 GK - Ceus, Pickens
    6 Defs - Calderon, Kindle, Klute, Moor, Wallace, Wynne
    11 Mids - Armstrong, Harbottle, LaBrocca, Mastroeni, Mullan, O'Neill, Powers, Rivero, Serna, Sturgis, Thomas
    7 Fwds - Akpan, Brown, Buddle, Cascio, Castrillon, Harris, Hill
     
  16. crazyjon85

    crazyjon85 Member

    Jan 12, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Armstrong is being groomed to be an outside back and O'Neill is being groomed to be a CB
     
  17. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. 22SteveD

    22SteveD Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2011
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Joel Helmick was last year's Supplemental Draft GK but couldn't beat Joyce out for the 3rd GK spot.
     
  20. BYLRPhil

    BYLRPhil Member

    Jul 1, 2009
    Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Luna wasn't able to accomplish much for FCD, a team that (also) wasn't very good last year. He's young, and I suppose has some potential, but I wouldn't expect much. I'd like to see him have some success in the reserves OR get loaned out to USL/NASL (I'm convinced that USL/NASL are pretty similar in quality, despite what the "pyramid" says)
     
  21. 30Something

    30Something Member

    Jun 3, 2004
    5280 Feet
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree. Luna has a ton of potential, but has never seemed to recognize any of it. He's a decent reserve for our front-line.
     
  22. BeTheRed

    BeTheRed Member

    May 16, 2006
    So about those folks who have been writing about how Jamie Smith was rudely told to go away by RFO. Guess we need to take any unsubstantiated stories about RFO with a grain of salt.
     
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  23. fischerw

    fischerw Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    Joplin, MO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just listened to Ives Galarcep's interview with Paul Bravo. Paul stressed how hard it was, personally and for the club, to get rid of Conor, Omar, and Jeff-- but said that he thinks they've acquired good replacements. It's all part of moving toward a much younger, and more attack-minded team. Bravo also said that the team is "not done" yet on acquiring players-- but nothing is "imminent." In a couple weeks, he said, there could be some news.

    FWIW, Ives had a lot of good things to say about the Rapids.
     
  24. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. fischerw

    fischerw Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    Joplin, MO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can now also subscribe to it in iTunes by searching for "SBI Podcast"

    Not sure yet if it's available on the other podcast services like Stitcher, etc. Probably is.
     

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