2012-2013 Offseason Roster/Formation discussion

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by tonhtubra, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not quite. The Rapids essentially cut positions 29 and 30 last year and turned them into allocation money (as allowed under the rules). So we only had a 28 man roster last year.

    Only the top 20 players count against the cap. Teams are required to have 18 players on the roster, if they have less than that they are charged a set amount against the cap for the empty slots up to 18. Slots 19 and 20 can be left empty and slots 21-30 filled, and then you spread the cap among those 18 players.

    MLS has never revealed to the public (its in the CBA) the exact method to determine who's a cap player and who's an off-cap player (except for GA and HG being off-cap) but its not as simple as the top 20 salaries. I believe there's a maximum an off-cap player can make in salary before they have to be a cap player.
     
  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  3. 22SteveD

    22SteveD Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2011
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the only 2 slots that can go unused and be used as allocation are from last 5 slots, however that works.
    It's in the rule quote you posted, 4th down.
     
  4. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    We do need defensive players, by default. At this point it's sort of like the expansion Mets needing a catcher.

    But am I the only one concerned that so far the offensive changes consist of Harris and Buddle? If he's the 2010 Buddle, that will certainly help. But even if just due to age and mileage, he probably won't quite reach those heights, and will need service.
     
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  5. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, your not alone. The thing about Buddle before there was the 2010 version there was the 2009 and the 2007 versions. He could be hot, he could be cold. His record keeps you guessing.

    My thing about the defense is that there were 15 teams better at defense and of the 10 that made the playoffs all of them were better. Of the 10 teams that made the playoffs two produced fewer goals than the Rapids, one of which won its conference.

    The 2011 squad struggled with injuries to Wynne, Casey, Smith, Cummings, and Mullan - as good as an injury - yet it scored as many goals. It still managed to make the playoffs because it held the opposition to 9 fewer goals than the 2012 team. That's all, nine fewer goals and they probably edge out Vancouver for the final spot.

    I think with Buddle the team can squeeze out another 44 goal season. Right now I think it'll struggle to keep the goals against under 50.
     
  6. WJMarx

    WJMarx BigSoccer Supporter

    May 5, 2003
    Boulder, CO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I liked Freeman. He was a very good crosser of the ball, had good speed and fairly good tactical sense. To me he was a substantial upgrade for Kimura. Since he was not reclaimed by the Rapids in re-entry round 2, IMO, his bridge to the Rapids has likely been burned.
     
  7. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought Freeman was picked up by the Revolution.
     
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  8. 22SteveD

    22SteveD Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2011
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep, I blew it on this. Wishful thinking or memory loss.
     
  9. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is our status on international slots? How many do we have for 2013? Is it 6?

    Currently on the roster I believe we only have three, Thomas, Rivero, and Castrillon. Did I miss someone?
     
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the only one we've traded away is the one to Vancouver that will now continue through the Atiba Harris trade. We have a permanent one from FSL, so that would cancel out and leave us at the default of 8. Maybe I'm forgetting one, but that would still put us at 7.

    Currently only 3 are in use.
     
  11. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    This is not a tangible, but rather a mention in a Honduran paper from November about Peri Martinez. Maybe it's old news, but it said he had the possibility of playing on the MLS team where Hendry Thomas was playing. It might make sense in light of letting Cummings go, since he's also a player know for his speed.

    http://www.latribunadeportiva.hn/2012/11/06/peri-martinez-aparece-en-marathon/

    Por ahora espero seguir jugando en el extranjero, hay posibilidades en la MLS en el equipo donde juega Hendry Thomas, y en Grecia, pero en Honduras por ahora no.
     
  12. BYLRPhil

    BYLRPhil Member

    Jul 1, 2009
    Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any news on the Calderon front?
     
  13. Cos_Mos

    Cos_Mos Member

    Aug 31, 2007
    Broomfield
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I imagine everyone is enjoying a holiday right now. Wouldn't expect much of any news across MLS until the new year.
     
  14. crazyjon85

    crazyjon85 Member

    Jan 12, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    his contract runs through monday expect news shortly thereafter
     
  15. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I read on the Philly forum that Toronto was trying to get Larentowicz, possibly for a 1st round in the draft. You guys hearing anything like that?
     
  16. crazyjon85

    crazyjon85 Member

    Jan 12, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    link?
     
  17. 22SteveD

    22SteveD Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2011
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was suggested on forum here, seems we are becoming source for several rumors these days.

    With his performance last year I would not be surprised at all if he was being shopped.
     
  18. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With the Cummings move I thought I would update the roster list that I posted in that monstrous post earlier in this thread. I have abandoned the attempt to determine Salary/Off-Salary and just made it a list of 30. Also, I don't care what the Rapids and Bianchi are saying, I am keeping Cummings salary info from the players union.

    ***Base salary is in parentheses. I ordered them according to 2012 base salary. If new deal has been done I have replaced salary to ???***
    2012/2013 Offseason Roster Tracking
    1. Wynne (???)
    2. Mastroeni (???)
    3. Moor (200)
    4. Larentowicz (200)
    5. Thomas (???)
    6. Pickens (178)
    7. Mullan (152)
    8. Wallace (63)
    9. Akpan (57)
    10. Rivero (50)
    11. Castrillon (50)
    12. Armstrong (44)
    13. Ceus (44)
    14. Hill (44)
    15. O'Neill (44)
    16. Cascio (44)
    17. Klute (34)
    18. Casey (400) Buddle (225)
    19. Smith (148) Harris (150)
    20. Edu (120) Avila (???)
    21. Freeman (105) Sturgis (89)
    22. Marshall (90)
    23. Cummings (82)
    24. Zapata (65)
    25. Wahl (65)
    26. Palguta (63)
    27. Nane (44)
    28. Joyce (44)
    29. Unfilled in 2012
    30. Unfilled in 2012

    2012 Positional breakdown

    3 GKs - Ceus, Joyce, Pickens
    9 Defs - Freeman, Klute, Marshall, Moor, Palguta, Wahl, Wallace, Wynne, Zapata
    9 Mids - Armstrong, Larentowicz, Mastroeni, Mullan, Nane, O'Neill, Rivero, Smith, Thomas
    7 Fwds - Akpan, Cascio, Casey, Castrillon, Cummings, Edu, Hill

    2013 Positional breakdown
    2 GK - Ceus, Pickens
    4 Defs - Klute, Moor, Wallace, Wynne
    9 Mids - Armstrong, Avila, Larentowicz, Mastroeni, Mullan, O'Neill, Rivero, Sturgis, Thomas
    6 Fwds - Akpan, Buddle, Cascio, Castrillon, Harris, Hill
     
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One nit, Avila is not yet signed.
     
  20. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I figure it is easier to leave him on there until we hear whether he signed or not. The fact we haven't heard anything makes me wonder if he is going to try signing with another league. I would assume we made an offer which would mean we retain his rights, but I am becoming skeptical that he will be on the roster when the season starts.
     
  21. WJMarx

    WJMarx BigSoccer Supporter

    May 5, 2003
    Boulder, CO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am fond of Avila having followed his youth career in Bradenton. However, his MLS career is undistinguished thus far. I believe that he could still blossom in the Rapids 3-3-4 system but I do not consider him a threat to signing a contract elsewhere, his recent history is not in his favor.
     
  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    Adrian Dater wrote it. I suppose he's just he's even writing about the Rapids. Remember last summer when he wrote about noticing Dave Dir was back? It was almost 2 months after Dir was hired.
     
  24. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Update with Calderon Signing

    ***Base salary is in parentheses. I ordered them according to 2012 base salary. If new deal has been done I have replaced salary to ???***
    2012/2013 Offseason Roster Tracking
    1. Wynne (???)
    2. Mastroeni (???)
    3. Moor (200)
    4. Larentowicz (200)
    5. Thomas (???)
    6. Pickens (178)
    7. Mullan (152)
    8. Wallace (63)
    9. Akpan (57)
    10. Rivero (50)
    11. Castrillon (50)
    12. Armstrong (44)
    13. Ceus (44)
    14. Hill (44)
    15. O'Neill (44)
    16. Cascio (44)
    17. Klute (34)
    18. Casey (400) Buddle (225)
    19. Smith (148) Harris (150)
    20. Edu (120) Avila (???)
    21. Freeman (105) Sturgis (89)
    22. Marshall (90) Calderon (???)
    23. Cummings (82)
    24. Zapata (65)
    25. Wahl (65)
    26. Palguta (63)
    27. Nane (44)
    28. Joyce (44)
    29. Unfilled in 2012
    30. Unfilled in 2012

    2012 Positional breakdown
    3 GKs - Ceus, Joyce, Pickens
    9 Defs - Freeman, Klute, Marshall, Moor, Palguta, Wahl, Wallace, Wynne, Zapata
    9 Mids - Armstrong, Larentowicz, Mastroeni, Mullan, Nane, O'Neill, Rivero, Smith, Thomas
    7 Fwds - Akpan, Cascio, Casey, Castrillon, Cummings, Edu, Hill

    2013 Positional breakdown
    2 GK - Ceus, Pickens
    5 Defs - Calderon, Klute, Moor, Wallace, Wynne
    9 Mids - Armstrong, Avila, Larentowicz, Mastroeni, Mullan, O'Neill, Rivero, Sturgis, Thomas
    6 Fwds - Akpan, Buddle, Cascio, Castrillon, Harris, Hill
     
  25. tonhtubra

    tonhtubra Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    Fort Collins, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It will be interesting to see where Calderon ends up lining up more, LB or CB. Most likely it depends on who else we are able to bring in. Since it is the off season and I am bored though, here's how I think Pareja would judge our current depth on the back line with the current resources available.

    LB - Calderon, Moor, Wallace, Klute
    LCB - Moor, Calderon, Klute
    RCB - Wynne, Moor, Klute
    RB - Moor, Wynne, Mullan, Armstrong

    If Pareja had to put out a lineup today, I bet we would see a back line of

    Wallace----Calderon----Wynne----Moor
     
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