2012-2013 Bundesliga Match Day 22: Borussia Dortmund v Eintracht Frankfurt [R]

I think you guys coming up with all these different formations are giving Klopp too much credit. He's not that great a tactician. He'll keep going with what he knows. We'll have a striker next season. The only question is "who will it be?"

 

I think there's something you don't seem to get with Eintracht Frankfurt. They try to win all their home points and battle for the away points which they think they can win. They went into Dortmund hoping to just steal a point. That was painfully obvious.

However, we do agree on the major point. Eintracht Frankfurt is not ready for Europe. However, if no other team steps up and knocks them out of the top six, Europe is where they will be next season.

That was no tactical stroke by Klopp. That was a necessary move. A no-brainer. Let's see how we start at Gladbach next week.

I agree with most said about Reus and Gotze. I just wish they were more consistent.

Kuba is just fine. He needed to be a bit more defensive with Piszczek not at 100%. This is going to affect Kuba's game.

Totally agree here. These days Gundogan makes it all go......

I don't think both yellows were "soft." I think he earned the first one. Most of the time I see that type of foul in the Bundesliga, it results in a booking. While the second one was incidental, not intentional, German referees have been giving yellow for that sort of play for a few years now. However, in a situation like that early in a match, Dr. Brych could have also chosen to warn Schieber that his next foul of any type would result in the sending off. I think Dr. Brych sent Scheiber off more thanks to the Frankfurt player's reaction than the actual foul itself. But either way, I can't call either yellow "soft" or say Dr. Brych was wrong.

 

I wasn't trying to excuse anything. Just possibly explain it.

And I never said you said this. Just gave my opinion on the situation.

Agree. And again, I was just giving my opinion on the subject.

Just another example of how two people can see the same thing two different ways. Or just not totally agree on what they saw. I thought Kuba was good overall. Not below average, not superb, but good. As you say below, we don't have to agree and I'm fine with that. I think the world would be a boring place if we all agreed on everything.

I think we agree here. This is where I said I thought Dr. Brych should have talked to Schieber and told him that his next foul of any type would result in the sending off. I think Dr. Brych was influenced by the reaction of the Frankfurt player.

For me, there was no doubt the first foul was a yellow. On the second one, I'm sure you know a few years ago referees were instructed by the DFB to give yellow cards and in some instances, red cards for players going into air challenges with their elbows. This is nothing new or unusual. As stated above, we agree on the opinion that the ref should have talked to Schieber on that one. But he chose not to and he wasn't wrong for doing so.

Now, I didn't say you said the referee was wrong. This is just my opinion. It isn't a direct response to anything you said.

This is one thing we totally agree about. We don't need to agree. I've said this exact thing to many a person here over the years.

 

Kicker Ratings Key:

1 – World Class

2 – Very Good

3 – Average/Decent

4 – Slightly Below Average

5 – Pretty Bad

6 – Completely Horrible

NR – Not Rated

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Borussia Dortmund: Weidenfeller (3) - Piszczek (3.5), Subotic (2.5), Hummels (1), Schmelzer (3) - Gündogan (1), S. Bender (2.5) - Blaszczykowski (3), M. Götze (1),
Reus (1), Schieber (5)

BVB Subs:
66th Minute: Grosskreutz for Kuba
82nd Minute: Leitner for Götze
89th Minute: Sahin for Gündogan
All Not Rated



Eintracht Frankfurt: Trapp (3) - S. Jung (2), Zambrano (4.5), Anderson (4.5), Oczipka (3.5) - Schwegler (4.5), Rode (4.5) - Aigner (5), Meier (5), Inui (3) - Lakic (3.5)

Eintracht Frankfurt Subs:
60th Minute: Occean (4) for Aigner
77th Minute: Matmour (NR) for Lakic
80th Minute: Celozzi (NR) for Rode

 

Hummels' confidence is stronger when he knows he's got Subotic there to cover his ass. Having Gundogan back helped Hummels too.

Covering Hummels when he moves to do other things is where Santana failed miserably. I honestly thought Santana could work better with Hummels than he did.

Santana proved me to be very wrong about him.......

 

Man, the first time, not playing was an acceptable excuse. But when Subotic went down, it was Santana's chance. He'd already had some time with Hummels this season. All he had to do was prove he could handle playing next to Hummels.

Santana proved he cannot. He didn't even prove he was learning anything. He proved that he just couldn't figure out how to play with Hummels.

I'm sorry, I can't agree that "a full season under his belt" would help anything here.

Santana needs to play in a system where he can be simply a stopper and an occassional scorer.

He can't do it here in Dortmund. He's shown it now.

I would agree that Felipe Santana is still going to be a good player. However, he's going to do it elsewhere.

Bring on Lasse Sobiech, Koray Gunter...........