2012/14 Shinji Kagawa @ Manchester United (ENG/CL) Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Japanese Abroad' started by SamuraiBlue2002, Jun 5, 2012.

  1. teioh

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    I think this is so... "reptilian"...


  2. mushu21

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    So the source is 2ch :ROFLMAO: No doubt.
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    I thought it was a conspiracy theory before too until I read that they refused to play the Japanese national on several occasions where a Japanese won in skating while they played the Korean anthem in full when the Korean skater won the World Championships. The worst strike was when they didn't show the award ceremony of the WWC last year when Japan won... oh and subliminally putting the Korean flag over the Japanese flag during one of those transition animations before replays in the Japan-Korea friendly last year. The other stuff like some Korean food randomly winning food popularity polls and showing Korean dramas 24/7 didn't really make me suspicious before, but the repeated refusal to play the Japanese national anthem made me raise my eyebrow.

    Mistakes like these usually are simple mistakes, but when it keeps on repeating you have to look into it and see why those mistakes keep on happening.
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    2011 Fuji TV controversy

    I doubt that the Kagawa pic is more than just a stupid miss, but regarding Fuji TV's holding company having a larger share held by foreign companies than the allowed quota, and the influence this seems to have on the broadcasted contents, there is certainly grounds for controversy. But as a viewer one might be comfortable with it and still watch Fuji TV, another one wouldn't and switches the channel (or like in actor Sosuke Takaoka's case say something on twitter and lose his agency/career/wife Aoi Miyazaki).

    Thing is if there's no reason for the foreign shareholders except to make money selling dramas and music to Japan, it's quite childish to report news about things which potentially have an effect on the nations' pride in a biased way, because that would indeed justify the critics.
    That said it will be interesting if there's more to the "brainwash"-argument. We will see how/if Fuji reports about the effects Kagawa joining ManUtd has on Korean fans. Or how their sports shows will rate Kagawa's performances compared to others.


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    It's hard to mistake Shinji with any other Kagawa by anyone in Japan right now. I remember when they wrote in some news program before last year's friendly that was 韓日 instead of 日韓 which is hard to believe as a mistake when every Japanese would use the second option. And they don't do much to deny any of those views.
    The Manchester's FB site even put the video of him scoring against South Korea, lol. They'll just play some documentary about Park just before Shinji's debut ;)
    Oh, and One Piece is running for 10+ years? I didn't even notice.
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    Why Kagawa's thread became TV and brainwashing thread is out of my mind :laugh:
    This thread promises to have lot of random debates next season, for all kinds of unrelated matters.
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    Well no offense but I find it more interesting than pics of AV actresses... ;)
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    Media has been mixed in the last few days in all fairness. Some very negative ones, but a lot of them have stood on the fense while others have gone the other way, so all extremes are there.

    I was listening to talksport radio on a bus, and happened to catch a german correspondant, who regularly appear for them, praising Kagawa to death. It's on the net now so I'll paste the link below. This is one example of them going off the scale the other way.
    http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/ri...awa-man-united-mouth-watering-prospect-173692

    Today's Guardian has been flattering as well as if they're changing their tune, something about being an artist. Must be really confused.
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    Nice to see you around again, Enclosure.
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    OMG it's a Korean takeover... Now those devious Koreans are sabotaging Kagawa's big signing by brainwashing the Japanese public into believing he's a kabuki actor, lols...

    On topic...hope Kagawa thrives at Utd. and raises the profile of Asian football worldwide. I'm one who believes that at this point in time, any Asian succeeding at the highest levels of football is good for all Asians cuz whether we like it or not most Euros don't distinguish much between Kor/Jp when it comes to football. We're all just supposed to be shirt-sellers. The fact that some are still labeling Kagawa just a shirt-seller is laughable and just goes to prove the point that this mentality is ingrained in the majority of pundits and fans in Europe. Till that changes, I'll be rooting for Kagawa at Utd and hoping for him to fail miserably at the national level a la Messi.
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    Some Man U fans are just venting their post Ronaldo, continuing Glazer family frustration/anger once again, while the English press for the first time in a very long time, are finally thinking beyond the cheap shots a token ethnicity provides, to instead asses a player like Kagawa on his own obvious ability, and nothing more.

    Thanks to the ground work of his new team mate Park Ji Sung, combined with Shinji's own high level performance at Dortmund, and the obvious continued rise of east Asian players throughout Europe, the English media will have few negatives to say regarding SAF latest signing.

    For the most part, Kagawa's biggest off field issues in England, will come in the form of increased expectation to excel at a world class level each and every week, in front of a very critical global fanbase, that still often struggles to see past the clubs modern #7 stars like Cantona, Beckham, and Ronaldo. And lets not forget the Japanese media pressure, which will be all over his nut sack in his first year too.
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    Yeah. There will be tremendous amount of pressure on kagawa's shoulder. Again, this isn't park coming into a team to become a squad member. Everyone's expectation is kagawa to be the next honaldoo for the team. The fans, at the minimum will expect 10+ goals and 10+ assist. And as for the marketing as shirtseller, I don't think Alex ferguson would bring in a player just for the attraction to Asian market. The player's footballing abilities always comes first. As did with park and now with kagawa. An those marketing revenues will just come naturally once the player settles in. Will we see a couple of Japanese brand name companies in line to sponsor united now because kagawa is in the team? Probably, but again those kind of things are in place anyway because we're Koreans and Japanese in greedy European football scene.
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    The way I see it is, Ferguson looked at Kagawa as not only a great player who can take them to a championship level but a shirt seller as well. Isn't that the purpose of football and sports? To win and to make money through marketing.

    They made a smart decision all around getting a very underrated player in Kagawa who still has the stigma of Asians being soft and weak and unable to perform as stars on the highest level. It'll just be another obstacle he must overcome, he dealt with it in Germany coming from the J-League, he'll do it again in the EPL as he's now even better as a player and more hungry to prove the doubters wrong.

    From visiting other forums I would say people are very excited about about Kagawa, they arent writing him off, they constantly point to his highlight reel youtube videos and believe hes the real deal. So yes, there will be tons of pressure on him, pressure put onto him by the fans and also by himself, but the fans at Man Utd. will be pulling for him and seem to be on his side and truly excited about the move. It'll be fun to watch and I hope he gets the #7 jersey!
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    It'll be interesting to see your countries domestic footballing scene grow. Maybe it'll get as popular as your domestic baseball league after a decade.
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    Times have changed, surely people have realised that signing a Japanese player won't equal mass shirt sales? Man United might be different, but I'm sceptical that they signed Kagawa for a decent sum of money because of his profile.
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    One point the 'shirt-selling Asian'-reasoning always neglects: For a big club with a large fanbase in Asia, signing a Japanese means that they will lose a lot of fans elsewhere in Asia. Simply put, it wouldn't be surprising if the overall revenue from Asia took a dent.
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    Whatever the case may be, I'm still not convinced that the pressure on Shinji is really there to such an extent. I'm sure he'll handle any pressure from Japan, he seems to enjoy it. That leaves the pressures abroad, especially the home crowd, which is mixed at best like the mass media. Sceptical or crossing fingers, more likely. More optimism from the younger folks perhaps.

    I think you perceive the pressure due to the online effect - the snotty adolescents, spotty teens, boozing students and foreign fans 10,000 miles away insisting the United should sell Rooney. Not exactly representative of the uneducated, working class carpenters, tilers and cab drivers who have cornish pasty for lunch and put ketchup on spaghetti - there, a complete starting 11 of stereotypes :geek:

    And you, thanks haha. Nice to be welcomed back every anniversary or two.
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    looks like Lewandowski might be coming to United as well.. along with Modric.. gonna be a good team!
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    Calling Majster2... calling Majster2...
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    That's what I thought too. Why should the national coach talk about transfers anyway...
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    Well come to the world of English media bullsh*t :rolleyes:.
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    The Modric seems like good news for ManU.... though I dunno about Kagawa.... is he a CAM like Kagawa or CM like Scholes? will they be fighting for the role or teaming up in midfield?
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    Can't see why Man U would do that when they have Rooney, Chicharito, and Welbeck plus Kagawa who'll probably take up either of the latter two's spot a good amount of time. Lewandowski money would probably be better spent on Modric or Baines...probably just the Polish coach getting worked up.
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    Once again Modric is just whoring his ass to anybody that can afford to take him away from White Hart Lane ;). It was all about Chelsea last season, and now it's supposedly Man U that want him :unsure:, even though SAF has just signed another creative player who's younger, and dare I say better than Tottenham's mid-field star, coming at a significantly better better price too.

    Considering Man U have lost Fletcher's experience through illness, and possibly a major young talent like Poga through contract issues, with Scholes and Giggs nearing 40:eek:, SAF may have to go in to the market again for another CM to complement younger options like Cleverly and Anderson, but nothing on Modric's ridiculous valuation. With Kagawa's arrival, I can only see SAF spending major money on a quality left back to compete with Evra.

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