2012/14 Hiroshi Kiyotake @ 1. FC Nuremberg (GER) Thread [R]

Did you hear about the rumour as well?

 

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...artikel_japan-boomt_club-sichtet-ogihara.html

 

on Whoscored.com, Kiyotake is rated 7.6, FCN's best player and 3rd overall, Takashi MOM.

despite the lost, I think he's done pretty good, 4 assists and a Goal in 4 matches. an assist in every game. 4 MoM for FCN. proving that he's a real threat and a definite key player for FCN.

 

The question is can he do much better at this point ? Not sure. Too timid, fleeing zones where the play gets physical.

 

The good thing is that we have a new dead ball specialist for the Samurai Blue.

 

Kiyotake's set pieces are absolutely deadly

 

That's what I've had an impression from tonight's game. But he's there to improve his game and I think that he's capable of making a progress in this aspect with his body. Also note that he's the most busy Japanese player for one and a half year. I can see him even benched for some point this autumn. He couldn't even trap the ball correctly in some cases. I wonder how much distance he had covered in this game (as he had 12+km last week).

You know from before - I think that he can improve in Germany and get more advanced from what he had showed in his Cerezo times.

 

Sure. But still interesting to balance things a bit, the Kiyotake fever is completely out of proportions.

 

The two were interviewed together, with Junpei interpreting.
When Inui was asked if he thinks Kiyotake is the new Kagawa, Kiyo said: "Tell them, tell them" and Inui told the interviewer: "Kagawa is Kagawa, Kiyotake is Kiyotake"

 

You know, all he knows about the buzz is what Jumpe tells him and what he could find on the Japanese Internet. You or I can't change that. I hope he'll try hard to catch the language and by the end of the season you'll see him using some of his 'Kiyotakanisch' in interviews

You know, when he scored that midfield shot against Reds at Saisuta (that was last year?) I wondered for a while what medias from European strong leagues would write... And I came to the point that they should correct their articles by someone who's keeping a close eye on Japanese football after projecting in my head some of the press titles that they're using in Europe

And it all happened after his last game as he's capable of 'making the difference' sometimes.

 

He´s not a finished product yet... far from it, but we cant deny he´s having a major impact in the pitch.

 

He is having a massive impact on the pitch. This is hype...sure with a good reason, but no one is hyping up anything without a reason. As it is Kiyotake is playing amazingly. We should not forget that these are his first official games for the club and in all of them he was involved in goals. In fact in all of the goals.
Sure games will come when he wont be assisting scoring and dribbling around but dont go telling at that point...see he is just an ordinary player, like I said or something along these lines.

This guy is good. We knew he is good in Cerezo and we can see him doing the same magic and even progressing here in Germany. We have also seen in before with Kagawa and we have seen it in second German league with Inui and we can see it now with Inui's new team.
We can see the impact of Takashi Usami as well and the like

This is no coincidence, this is not some hype up for nothing. We are getting confirmed on our beliefs that players who are considered great talents in the J-League are in fact great players overall.

I think Jong Tae Se said it best on his blog this year. The differences on top are normally not that big in terms of technical skills there are loads of players who can dribble, can make great passes, have vision and so on. But once you put them in a melting pot as big as Bundesliga, Premier League, La Liga, Serie A and so on, they usually vanish.
Jong Tae Se says this. It is not because they suddenly lost their ability. But because they cannot adapt.
It is those who can adapt and play like they did when they were considered good in their local leagues who are great players.

Japanese players -----> Bundesliga

adaptation is possible, was done and this what we are seeing this year is a great breakthrough for Japanese football in general. If Takashi and Inui and some other players will continue to show what they are capable of more and more J-League players will get transfered to Bundesliga clubs. As simple as that.

It is also interesting how in general they are all doing good once they get the proper chances. This is why Kiyotake and Inui are that more important for the rest of the Japanese squad in the Bundesliga, like Kagawa was for them.

Partially because of Kagawas success they were ready to test and give chances to others and now that they see this is no such thing as sole case, we can just imagine what this can mean for the future.


Anyways sure let us hold up our horses and wish them they do well this season first. But please dont tell us that this is some strange hype going on. This is only normal. They are playing really well
One doesnt just get picked up as a player of the match for his team 4 times in a row and a player of the entire Bundesliga for the round just like that. And not mention a guy who just came to Bundesliga and plays for a team which is not really some superpower in the system, so no one can say he was living of assists or chances created by his teammates soley. He is doing it with his own ability and anyone who thinks differently is in fact underestimating Kiyotake himself.

The guy played only 4 official games for Nurnberg in the leaguedo you think someone can play at his best after 4 games?


Hiroshi Kiyotake and Takashi Inui, this will be a joy to watch this season and as long others play, I am sure Usami, Sakais as well

 

Kagawa made it possible for players like Inui, Kiyotake and Usami to get recognized and be accepted as impact players in the Bundasliga. Its a copy cat league when something works, other teams will try and duplicate that in whatever sport you play. Dortmund was winning titles with the skilled Japanese player in Kagawa and everyone else wanted one of their own. Hence the Kagawa effect, these players can play their style comfortably and confidently without criticism.

And now im sure Kiyotake and Inui are making other teams look to try and tap into the Japanese market thanks to their excellent play.

 

Not bad at all!!

About this "fever/Hype" thing... when a japanese player exceeds, what´s the problem of getting excited about it?

Some people around here just need to chill out a bit.

 

For sure. Kiyo's been great since the season began, he's single handedly turned Nurnburg into a European contender based on early results.

On another note, Cerezo's built themselves quite the brand in Europe with a potentially stronger presence if Ogihara and/or Yamaguchi head over. Imagine if they kept their team intact. They could have had an Inui-Kagawa-Kiyotake attacking midfield with Yamaguchi and Ogihara in center midfield. The small matter of defense aside, they could've put up a good fight against established European teams.

 

Yeah, and Moniwa as CB

 

That's what Culpi said just the other week: If you have Kagawa, Inui, Kiyotake and Adriano, your team can go for titles.

 

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/soccer/news/2012/09/24/kiji/K20120924004182250.html

ManC looking at Kiyotake, according to a Sunday Times' article.
They also say that Celtic is considering making a move for Nagai.

 

Let the rumours begin hehe.

New game already on Wednesday, against Sakais Hannover.

 

Celtic and Nagai were linked in the summer transfer window, nothing happened and I seriously doubt something will happen over winter

Same goes with Man City and Kiyotake and even if they would buy him, they would destroy the poor guy, would use him as a source of income and some sub...


Anyway that wont happen as well

Honda rumors please

 

Maybe ManCity wants his Kagawa to be not less than ManUtd... Than it's really better for Kiyotake to stay in Bundesliga at least 2 years like Shinji did.

 

I think the best case for Kiyo would be to move up to an established Bundesliga side, like Dortmund or Leverkusen, or to a solid mid table Premier League team like Newcastle or Everton. He's young enough and has the potential to move up from there with years to spare, but yeah, doing something like Usami last year would be ill advised. Man City's a huge no for now.

 

Until the WC2014, it's better staying in Nurnberg.

 

Nah, if Nurnberg make Europa League, that's a definite sign he can compete with a higher quality team. He practically is there team, every goal they've scored this season has involved him somehow. If he keeps up this pace, I think it's completely realistic for him to play regularly a better team next season.