2012/13 Attendance Thread

Discussion in 'Australian A-League' started by Yoshou, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yet again, another good week for attendance with both the Victory and the Wanderers cracking 19k and the Jets surpassing 15k. While the remainder were below 10k, they were about average for the hosting teams.So far this season is kicking butt even compared to the best season in 2007/2008

    Next week should be an interesting one with the Jets hosting their third game of the season and seeing if they will sustain their current numbers, the Heart hosting their second and seeing if they can improve on their dismal numbers non-derby numbers, and Sydney FC testing the Del Piero effect for another game.

    TeamAttendance
    Victory19,174
    Newcastle15,289
    Western Sydney19,126
    Perth7,548
    Wellington9,182
    Total70319
    Average14064


    SeasonAverageMedian%<7k%>16kAvg PtsMed Pts<7k Pts>16k PtsAAAQAAAQ Rnk
    2005/06137461111311.1%33.3%40575001473
    2006/0714454878511.1%33.3%291005001796
    2007/0815000142330%33.3%21000212
    2008/09127331093211.1%33.3%55615001664
    2009/10116381002413.3%20%717760602697
    2010/119747911822.2%11.1%100941001003948
    2011/1214893125046.7%13.3%223230901745
    2012/1316377140850%33.3%030031


    Round05/0606/0707/0808/0909/1010/1111/1212/13Grand Total
    1175521574114554133311363110810159701870015007
    21118114584169949670121309045111181636612584
    3792158971013513585915310512175921406411299
    41165115024148281287086746624733110666
    512031883212291950283616571127289965
    683661265815131112811200810018965511193
    712087992812442120011008448011392710459
    81051614910100779818619887451156310080
    9121751426015352147361252910465933412507
    101040098241830812294122387359858410914
    11929912580111491014568918868104409827
    1210143152351637111396974684781136211438
    1313204964010709752272508641111079792
    147276149601561182339632676488039813
    151086010528145211395780487965954310350
    16975120003144159901100345936825910516
    1711746116811388415627798168541145610815
    1810146116431711217379617083511262611441
    199602119411388411006113597635958410508
    2095231554621171145051068710645954112750
    211462716259175811704498709643653312377
    227097899490868463
    23119907890104889983
    241059111624789510223
    259487779192948732
    261087549537230
    27126371412213379
    Grand Total1095512937145961218198288400104971637710982
     
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  2. djpower

    djpower Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 9, 2005
    Victoria, Australia
    Newcastle Jets vs Melbourne Victory
    crowd: 13,912
    tv: 125,000

    Adelaide United vs Wellington Phoenix
    crowd: 8,497
    tv: 71,000

    Brisbane Roar vs Western Sydney Wanderers
    crowd: 12,663
    tv: 100,000

    Melbourne Heart vs Central Coast Mariners
    crowd: 6,357
    tv: 57,000

    Sydney FC vs Perth Glory
    crowd: 22,187
    tv: 100,000
     
  3. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Adelaide is not looking good so far.
     
  4. Zednaught

    Zednaught Member

    Jan 11, 2011
    Club:
    Adelaide United
    They're pretty normal figures for Adelaide I would have thought.
     
  5. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    When I started following A-League, Reds have drawn 10k+ crowds and I still use this figure as the benchmark.

    But after last season disaster 8k+ are pretty normal, I agree. Hope it will heal over time and good results.
     
  6. Zednaught

    Zednaught Member

    Jan 11, 2011
    Club:
    Adelaide United
    10k would have been partly because of novelty factor.

    Also all crowds in Adelaide have being pretty bad lately. Even the Adelaide Crows in the AFL have had poor crowds.
     
  7. el-capitano

    el-capitano Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 30, 2005
    Sydney
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Average crowds for football leagues around the world:
    1. German Bundesliga 45,726
    2. English Premier League 34,601
    3. Spanish La Liga 30,272
    5. Italian Serie A 23,459
    8. US MLS 18,828
    13. Japanese J-League 17,022
    14. Hyundai A-League 15,460
    15. Brazilian Brasilierao 14,693
    17. Scottish Premier League 13,826
    21. Korean K-League 11,634
    Note: European and South American figures are for the 2011-2012 season.
    Source: ESPNsoccernet

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/a-leagu...-beating-boys-from-brazil-20121030-28hr3.html
     
  8. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Definitely a good season so far. Sydney FC is kicking butt with their ADP tour, the Victory are being the Victory, and most of the rest of the league seems to up on their previous averages. But, not to get too excited about things, this is only the fourth game in the season and only Newcastle has hosted more than 2 games. This week we saw the first sub 7k game of the season with the Heart seeming to return to their standard low after their first game bump.

    TeamTotal
    Newcastle13,912
    Adelaide8,497
    Brisbane12,663
    Heart6,357
    Sydney FC22,128
    Total63,557
    Average12,711


    SeasonAverageMedian%<7k%>16kAvg PtsMed Pts<7k Pts>16k PtsAAAQAAAQ Rnk
    2005/06122181042416.7%25%475144231664
    2006/0712074767825%25%5010067232396
    2007/0813894126880%25%2311023572
    2008/0912195113328.3%25%483522231283
    2009/1010897979920%15%676253692527
    2010/118623792937.5%8.3%100961001003968
    2011/12130031106820%10%364053922215
    2012/1315460132885%30%00130131


    Round05/0606/0707/0808/0909/1010/1111/1212/13Grand Total
    1175521574114554133311363110810159701870015007
    21118114584169949670121309045111181636612584
    3792158971013513585915310512175921406411299
    4116511502414828128708674662473311271110950
    512031883212291950283616571127289965
    683661265815131112811200810018965511193
    712087992812442120011008448011392710459
    81051614910100779818619887451156310080
    9121751426015352147361252910465933412507
    101040098241830812294122387359858410914
    11929912580111491014568918868104409827
    1210143152351637111396974684781136211438
    1313204964010709752272508641111079792
    147276149601561182339632676488039813
    151086010528145211395780487965954310350
    16975120003144159901100345936825910516
    1711746116811388415627798168541145610815
    1810146116431711217379617083511262611441
    199602119411388411006113597635958410508
    2095231554621171145051068710645954112750
    211462716259175811704498709643653312377
    227097899490868463
    23119907890104889983
    241059111624789510223
    259487779192948732
    261087549537230
    27126371412213379
    Grand Total1095512937145961218198288400104971546010993
     
  9. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The more troubling thing for Adelaide is that they didn't get the opening season bump that they usually get. This season their opening game only got 9k, which is the third lowest opening game attendance that they've gotten in their 8 seasons. The question is, will they stay level at their current average, or will they drop off as they normally would as the season progresses.
     
  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to A-League App is 14.881 now.
     
  11. el-capitano

    el-capitano Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 30, 2005
    Sydney
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    It'll fluctuate all season week by week. ;)
     
  12. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Game by game on the App. :p
     
  13. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It looks like the consistency of the 07/08 season has been a touch too much for this season to keep the lead in the AAAQ, but it is still ahead in average and over 16k. So while this season did lost the #1 spot, it is still a kick ass season so far and as long the ADP tour continues to get its attendance bump and Sydney's monumental pile of suck doesn't kill the home attendance, this season could turn out to be a net win for A-League.

    Aside from Central Coast's ADP bump, I'd expect the numbers from this week to be about what the teams will get the rest of the season.The third game is generally about the time that A-league teams settle into their groove and the attendance for this week is usually pretty close to the season average. They will obviously dip some over the course of the summer, but the end of season bump generally makes up for that dip.

    TeamAttendance
    Western Sydney8,075
    Perth9,293
    Central Coast15,686
    Brisbane12,856
    Victory20,683
    Total66,593
    Average13,319


    SeasonAverageMedian%<7k%>16kAvg PtsMed Pts<7k Pts>16k PtsAAAQAAAQ Rnk
    2005/06123811102013.3%20%434540381664
    2006/0712491878520%20%419360382326
    2007/0814589131440%26.7%7006131
    2008/0912726115356.7%26.7%3734206983
    2009/1010390939824%12%758072753037
    2010/118880846633.3%6.7%1001001001004008
    2011/12129481105120%12%344560752145
    2012/1315032128564%28%06120182


    Round05/0606/0707/0808/0909/1010/1111/1212/13Grand Total
    1175521574114554133311363110810159701870015007
    21118114584169949670121309045111181636612584
    3792158971013513585915310512175921406411299
    4116511502414828128708674662473311271110950
    512031883212291950283616571127281331910431
    683661265815131112811200810018965511193
    712087992812442120011008448011392710459
    81051614910100779818619887451156310080
    9121751426015352147361252910465933412507
    101040098241830812294122387359858410914
    11929912580111491014568918868104409827
    1210143152351637111396974684781136211438
    1313204964010709752272508641111079792
    147276149601561182339632676488039813
    151086010528145211395780487965954310350
    16975120003144159901100345936825910516
    1711746116811388415627798168541145610815
    1810146116431711217379617083511262611441
    199602119411388411006113597635958410508
    2095231554621171145051068710645954112750
    211462716259175811704498709643653312377
    227097899490868463
    23119907890104889983
    241059111624789510223
    259487779192948732
    261087549537230
    27126371412213379
    Grand Total1095512937145961218198288400104971503211007
     
  14. djpower

    djpower Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 9, 2005
    Victoria, Australia
    Western Sydney Wanderers vs Melbourne Heart
    crowd: 8,075
    tv: 108,000

    Central Coast Mariners vs Sydney FC
    crowd: 15,686
    tv: 128,000

    Perth Glory vs Newcastle Jets
    crowd: 9,293
    tv: 105,000

    Brisbane Roar vs Adelaide United
    crowd: 12,856
    tv: 93,000

    Melbourne Victory vs Wellington Phoenix
    crowd: 20,683
    tv: 67,000

    I like a late game on a Saturday night it also worked out for a good lead in to Man U vs Arsenal which had 118k viewers. I don't know why more sports in this country don't make good use of Perth being on the West Coast. Sundays has always been a little weaker but only having the 1 game seemed to work in improving the ratings on the other hand the poorer ratings seemed to of transferred over to the Monday night game
     
  15. djpower

    djpower Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 9, 2005
    Victoria, Australia
    Melbourne Heart vs Brisbane Roar
    crowd: 5,466
    tv: 93,000

    Western Sydney Wanderers vs Newcastle Jets
    crowd: 9,011
    tv: 101,000

    Sydney FC vs Melbourne Victory
    crowd: 21,531
    tv: 155,000

    Wellington Phoenix vs Central Coast Mariners
    crowd: 6,568
    tv: 46,000

    Adelaide United vs Perth Glory
    crowd: 9,212
    tv: 80,000
     
  16. Gold is the Colour

    Dec 17, 2005
    Perth Australia
    Club:
    Perth Glory
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    51,788 Total
    10,358 Average

    Not bad for what would probably be the worst round for home teams based on average crowds (Only swapping SFC and Perth would make it worse)
     
  17. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This round was the worst of the season so far by attendance, but as Gold is the Colour said, the teams hosting was mostly a collection of the worst performing teams in the league. The good news is that next week is a collection of the better teams, so hopefully there will be a bounce in attendance after next weeks numbers. I'm also wondering when it is going to be time to start questioning the Heart about their attendance. They get amazing attendance for their end of the Melbourne Derby and that seems to "hide" the fact that they have problems getting over 7k. Take out the derby games and the Heart only have an average of 6100, the worst average of the surviving teams. I'm definitely not saying they should have their license pulled, but going into their third season, I would hope they'd be getting more growth than they currently are.

    TeamAttendance
    Heart5,466
    Western Sydney 9,011
    Sydney FC21,531
    Wellington6,568
    Adelaide9,212
    Total51,788
    Average10,358



    SeasonAverageMedian%<7k%>16kAvg PtsMed Pts<7k Pts>16k PtsAAAQAAAQ Rnk
    2005/06122501042416.7%22.2%354443251465
    2006/07124381013022.2%27.8%31505701394
    2007/0813852121790%22.2%74025362
    2008/09123551163411.1%22.2%331629251033
    2009/1010660949123.3%16.7%626560502377
    2010/118462792938.9%5.6%1001001001004008
    2011/12123991044823.3%13.3%324360652006
    2012/13142531236010%26.7%00265311


    Round05/0606/0707/0808/0909/1010/1111/1212/13Grand Total
    1175521574114554133311363110810159701870015007
    21118114584169949670121309045111181636612584
    3792158971013513585915310512175921406411299
    4116511502414828128708674662473311271110950
    512031883212291950283616571127281331910431
    68366126581513111281120081001896551035811080
    712087992812442120011008448011392710459
    81051614910100779818619887451156310080
    9121751426015352147361252910465933412507
    101040098241830812294122387359858410914
    11929912580111491014568918868104409827
    1210143152351637111396974684781136211438
    1313204964010709752272508641111079792
    147276149601561182339632676488039813
    151086010528145211395780487965954310350
    16975120003144159901100345936825910516
    1711746116811388415627798168541145610815
    1810146116431711217379617083511262611441
    199602119411388411006113597635958410508
    2095231554621171145051068710645954112750
    211462716259175811704498709643653312377
    227097899490868463
    23119907890104889983
    241059111624789510223
    259487779192948732
    261087549537230
    27126371412213379
    Grand Total1095512937145961218198288400104971425311003
     
  18. Zednaught

    Zednaught Member

    Jan 11, 2011
    Club:
    Adelaide United
    Mainly because the Eagles and Dockers aren't big draw cards for TV audiences outside of Western Australia.

    The issues is that the Melbourne Victory, who by virtue of being around first and through name and colours (their jumper is based on the old Victorian state of origin jumper) is positioned as the state representative team. Melbourne Heart have a bit of an identity problem is that they don't really represent anything that isn't covered by the Victory.

    I'd honestly expect that a Geelong team would have slightly higher crowds than the Heart though Kardinia Park isn't really a suitable ground.
     
  19. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    They represent those who hate Victory, I presume.
     
  20. Zednaught

    Zednaught Member

    Jan 11, 2011
    Club:
    Adelaide United
    Which is a very poor foundations to build a new club on, especially when the Victory do a good job of representing the state.
     
  21. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Indeed, but such was the idea behind the second Melbourne and Sydney clubs -- to build up some "rivalry", i.e. hatred or at least denial for the "old" club. This cannot last forever, I agree, but it gives a nice kick-start to a new club. Now it's up to them to not screw up and build something bigger than simple hatred.

    IMO, Western Sydney has better foundations -- at least they may cling to geographical identity, hence the name itself is "Western". Maybe Heart could position themselves as the "city" team, as opposed to more "statewide" Victory? I dunno.

    And regardless of any identity, without good results everyone will cease to care, positioned or not positioned. To draw big, Heart need to win big.
     
  22. Zednaught

    Zednaught Member

    Jan 11, 2011
    Club:
    Adelaide United
    Sydney also has a strong logical geographical split between Sydney and Western Sydney (everything west of an including Parramatta).

    Melbourne doesn't really. The other issue with the Heart positioning itself as a city team is that in the three southern states of VIC, SA and WA the states can almost be viewed as an extension of the capital city with each of the capitals taking up over a quarter of their states population.

    But ultimately sustained good performances are what is named for the Heart. They are in the league, whilst a Geelong, Wollongong, Canberra or Tasmanian team is not. I don't think the league can afford yet another club going under.
     
  23. djpower

    djpower Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 9, 2005
    Victoria, Australia
    Maybe so but the AFL still schedules games for East Coast viewing and thats my point, when was the last time that the Eagles or Dockers played a local game starting after 7pm WST.
     
  24. Zednaught

    Zednaught Member

    Jan 11, 2011
    Club:
    Adelaide United
    It's being a long time since anything happened in Perth after 6pm.
     
    Capt. Socceroo repped this.
  25. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    What's the attendance for Perth vs WSW? Can't find it anywhere, and the magical A-League app is not for me either :(
     

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