Very poor. The official site used to be pretty awesome with the game day reports, but it took a serious step back after the redesign. It used to have weather conditions, field conditions, attendance, etc, etc and they were updated within a day of the game being completed, but usually within hours. Now, it never includes the weather conditions and field conditions, unless it is mentioned in the prose, and is getting worse and worse about reporting the attendance figures as the season goes on. Back at the start of the season I might be unlucky to have one or two that didn't mention the attendance and those were generally just the ones that got bad attendance, now it's pretty much hit and miss with even the good numbers not getting mentioned.
Rugby dominates in New Zealand and even super rugby has being getting low crowds. New Zealand has a low population that doesn't earn much money. 8k isn't too bad considering. Population of A-league cities 1. Sydney 4,575,532 NSW 2. Melbourne 4,077,036 VIC 3. Brisbane 2,043,185 QLD 4. Perth 1,696,065 WA 5. Adelaide 1,203,186 SA 6. Gold Coast 591,473 QLD 7. Newcastle 546,788 NSW 8. Wellington 393,400 NZ 9. Central Coast (Gosford) 297,956 NSW
Two newspapers in New Zealand usually post attendance figures of Phoenix games in their reports. So does Adelaide Now. www.stuff.co.nz www.nzherald.co.nz
Well, three out of five good games isn't bad, unfortunately the 2 bad ones were really, really bad. This season started out with a lot of promise, but it seems to be sliding off a bit. Still better than the last two seasons, so at least the league is moving in the right direction. Code: Adelaide 11274 Victory 14897 Wellington 3898 Sydney FC 11866 Gold Coast 2081 Total 44016 Average 8803 Code: Season Average Median %<7k %>16k AvgPts MedPts <7kPts >16kPts AAAQ AAAQRnk 2005/06 11069 10868 21% 15% 50 28 42 53 173 4 2006/07 12423 10895 19% 26% 27 27 37 0 91 2 2007/08 13973 12231 4% 26% 0 0 0 0 0 1 2008/09 11851 10516 11% 19% 37 35 16 32 119 3 2009/10 9746 8257 33% 12% 73 80 71 68 293 5 2010/11 8195 7276 45% 5% 100 100 100 100 400 6 2011/12 11330 10273 28% 16% 46 40 58 48 192 5 Code: Round 2005/06 2006/07 2007/08 2008/09 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 Grand 1 17552 15741 14554 13331 13631 10810 15970 14412 2 11181 14584 16994 9670 12130 9045 11154 11979 3 7921 5897 10135 13585 9153 10512 17502 10838 4 11651 15024 14828 12870 8674 6624 7331 10666 5 12031 8832 12291 9502 8361 6571 12728 9965 6 8366 12658 15131 11281 12008 10018 9601 11184 7 12087 9928 12442 12001 10084 4801 13927 10459 8 10516 14910 10077 9818 6198 8745 11563 10080 9 12175 14260 15352 14736 12529 10465 9334 12507 10 10400 9824 18308 12294 12238 7359 8584 10914 11 9299 12580 11149 10145 6891 8868 10422 9824 12 10143 15235 16371 11396 9746 8478 11362 11438 13 13204 9640 10709 7522 7250 8641 11106 9792 14 7276 14960 15611 8233 9632 6764 8803 9813 15 10860 10528 14521 13957 8048 7965 10552 16 9751 20003 14415 9901 10034 5936 11000 17 11746 11681 13884 15627 7981 6854 10701 18 10146 11643 17112 17379 6170 8351 11229 19 9602 11941 13884 11006 11359 7635 10679 20 9523 15546 21171 14505 10687 10645 13344 21 14627 16259 17581 17044 9870 9643 13676 22 7097 8994 8203 23 11990 7890 9754 24 10591 11624 11193 25 9487 7791 8498 26 10875 4953 7230 27 12637 14122 13379 Grand 10955 12937 14596 12181 9828 8400 11330 10997
The A-League has an Iphone/Ipad app that has had the attendance for every game, and fairly timely. If you would like any of the attendances, let me know and I can post them or send them to you.
Bah. You have to have access to the Australia or New Zealand app store to get it and none of the ones available in the US store have attendance.
Ultimate A-League for iPad by Hamson Design Group Pty Ltd. I have it installed and it shows attendances. Yesterday's games, Sydney - Gold Coast 8,541 Perth - Melbourne Victory 12,358
I now this might be kind of off topic, but why are the crowds so low? I know its still a young league, but its not like people don't know it there. It just seems really puzzling. Or maybe it just seems so bad because they're all playing in Rugby stadiums, like MLS in NFL venues back in the day
I'd say Perth is another massive concern at the moment. I've seen on another forum a comparison of A-League crowds to BBL crowds over the period that the BBL has been played. I wonder if the BBL and a (performance wise) stronger Australian cricket team has had an effect on A-League crowds and interest.
It might have a bit, but look at Perth's last crowd at the Victory game. That was over 12k and was also a day after what I'm pretty sure was a sell-out crowd at the Scorchers last game at the WACA. So the Kewell effect was able to pull Perth's best crowd of the season straight after the Warne effect. I'd say Perth's issues are more to do with the performance of the club and the owner. The BBL was always going to be a big competitor to the A-League as cricket is well and truly entrenched in the Australian sporting psyche. Gold Coast, though, surely has to start doing something drastic to try and get some decent attendances. Their highest season attendance is 6927 and their average is about 4k. Compare that with the Titans who have averaged about 20k between 2007-10. Obviously there are no issue with a lack of sports fans, transport or the stadium- they have just failed to connect with the community. Wellington's averaging a bit under 8k (nearly twice GC's average) so they are doing OK, not great. Cheers for that app!! Really handy
Perth Glory problem is that the brand is now almost toxic. It will take some real hard work and new personal to fix it. One thing about the crowd was that it was a night match. Night matches in Perth are the way to go this time of year, and probably fit in better for television anyway. The Scorchers crowd was almost independent of Warney, the WACA has being at close to full capacity for almost every game (except members). I'm more interested in how the BBL may have effected crowds in Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney but there is no evidence that it really has.
Okay, so week 15s numbers are a little late. I'll hopefully post the week 16 numbers on Wednesday after the games. Week 15 wasn't that great getting the 4th worse weekly average so far. While the Victory pulled in a 20k+ game, it was weighed down by two Heart games, a Gold Coast, and a Sydney regional game that was a make-up from the game rescheduled from Week 9. However, the attendance is still better than the last two seasons and just a bit behind the season 1 and season 4 numbers. Code: Victory 20559 Central Coast 10904 Brisbane 14545 Heart 7233 Gold Coast 2135 Sydney 5505 Heart 5522 Total 66403 Average 9486 Code: Season Average Median %<7k %>16k AvgPts MedPts <7kPts >16kPts AAAQ AAAQRnk 2005/06 11237 11010 20% 16% 45 24 38 48 155 4 2006/07 12199 10895 20% 24% 28 27 38 10 102 2 2007/08 13844 12231 4% 25% 0 0 0 0 0 1 2008/09 11480 10507 14% 18% 41 34 24 38 137 3 2009/10 9778 8456 33% 12% 70 75 69 65 279 6 2010/11 8043 7195 46% 5% 100 100 100 100 400 7 2011/12 11174 10251 29% 14% 46 39 60 54 199 5 Code: Round 2005/06 2006/07 2007/08 2008/09 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 Grand 1 17552 15741 14554 13331 13631 10810 15970 14412 2 11181 14584 16994 9670 12130 9045 11154 11979 3 7921 5897 10135 13585 9153 10512 17502 10838 4 11651 15024 14828 12870 8674 6624 7331 10666 5 12031 8832 12291 9502 8361 6571 12728 9965 6 8366 12658 15131 11281 12008 10018 9601 11184 7 12087 9928 12442 12001 10084 4801 13927 10459 8 10516 14910 10077 9818 6198 8745 11563 10080 9 12175 14260 15352 14736 12529 10465 9334 12507 10 10400 9824 18308 12294 12238 7359 8584 10914 11 9299 12580 11149 10145 6891 8868 10422 9824 12 10143 15235 16371 11396 9746 8478 11362 11438 13 13204 9640 10709 7522 7250 8641 11106 9792 14 7276 14960 15611 8233 9632 6764 8803 9813 15 10860 10528 14521 13957 8048 7965 9486 10339 16 9751 20003 14415 9901 10034 5936 11000 17 11746 11681 13884 15627 7981 6854 10701 18 10146 11643 17112 17379 6170 8351 11229 19 9602 11941 13884 11006 11359 7635 10679 20 9523 15546 21171 14505 10687 10645 13344 21 14627 16259 17581 17044 9870 9643 13676 22 7097 8994 8203 23 11990 7890 9754 24 10591 11624 11193 25 9487 7791 8498 26 10875 4953 7230 27 12637 14122 13379 Grand 10955 12937 14596 12181 9828 8400 11174 10982
And since we are well past the half season mark, here's the average by team: Code: 2005/06 2006/07 2007/08 2008/09 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 Home Average Change Average Change Average Change Average Change Average Change Average Change Average Change Grand Total Adelaide 10,947 - 12,162 11.1% 12,697 4.4% 11,712 -7.8% 10,765 -8.1% 11,540 7.2% 9,921 -14.0% 11,402 Brisbane 14,785 - 16,465 11.4% 16,949 2.9% 12,995 -23.3% 8,652 -33.4% 9,279 7.2% 13,832 49.1% 12,856 Central Coast 7,899 - 9,828 24.4% 12,738 29.6% 10,465 -17.8% 7,426 -29.0% 7,871 6.0% 10,427 32.5% 9,328 Gold Coast - - - - - - - - 5,382 - 3,434 -36.2% 3,606 5.0% 4,225 Heart - - - - - - - - - - 8,303 - 8,671 4.4% 8,431 Victory 14,158 - 27,728 95.9% 26,064 -6.0% 24,516 -5.9% 21,105 -13.9% 15,057 -28.7% 22,827 51.6% 21,296 New Zealand 3,909 - 3,092 -20.9% - - - - - - - - - - 3,481 Newcastle 8,912 - 11,442 28.4% 13,086 14.4% 9,729 -25.6% 6,340 -34.8% 8,200 29.3% 12,887 57.2% 9,772 North Queensland - - - - - - - - 6,723 - 4,245 -36.9% - - 5,396 Perth 9,734 - 7,671 -21.2% 7,606 -0.8% 7,942 4.4% 9,209 16.0% 8,488 -7.8% 7,610 -10.3% 8,405 Sydney FC 16,669 - 14,999 -10.0% 16,382 9.2% 12,380 -24.4% 12,987 4.9% 8,014 -38.3% 11,992 49.6% 13,105 Wellington - - - - 11,683 - 7,193 -38.4% 8,940 24.3% 7,970 -10.9% 7,790 -2.3% 8,638 Grand Total 10,955 - 12,937 18.1% 14,596 12.8% 12,181 -16.5% 9,828 -19.3% 8,400 -14.5% 11,174 33.0% 10,982
Sheesh. I suck. I had the file all set to go, just didn't copy and paste it into the thread. Well, after a couple of good games, the regional games are becoming more and more of a bust, with Adelaide being the latest victim. It will be interesting to see if they continue these next season. Code: Newcastle 11694 Central Coast 7478 Heart 7118 Perth 12358 Sydney FC 8541 Adelaide 2363 Total 49552 Average 8258 Code: Season Average Median %<7k %>16k AvgPts MedPts <7kPts >16kPts AAAQ AAAQRnk 2005/06 10930 10868 22% 15% 50 27 44 55 176 4 2006/07 12155 11032 20% 22% 29 24 39 18 110 2 2007/08 13803 12231 4% 25% 0 0 0 0 0 1 2008/09 11230 9509 15% 16% 45 54 26 46 171 3 2009/10 9534 8043 35% 11% 75 83 75 71 304 6 2010/11 8075 7204 45% 6% 100 100 100 100 400 7 2011/12 10978 10212 28% 13% 49 40 59 60 208 5 Code: Round 2005/06 2006/07 2007/08 2008/09 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 Grand 1 17552 15741 14554 13331 13631 10810 15970 14412 2 11181 14584 16994 9670 12130 9045 11154 11979 3 7921 5897 10135 13585 9153 10512 17502 10838 4 11651 15024 14828 12870 8674 6624 7331 10666 5 12031 8832 12291 9502 8361 6571 12728 9965 6 8366 12658 15131 11281 12008 10018 9601 11184 7 12087 9928 12442 12001 10084 4801 13927 10459 8 10516 14910 10077 9818 6198 8745 11563 10080 9 12175 14260 15352 14736 12529 10465 9334 12507 10 10400 9824 18308 12294 12238 7359 8584 10914 11 9299 12580 11149 10145 6891 8868 10422 9824 12 10143 15235 16371 11396 9746 8478 11362 11438 13 13204 9640 10709 7522 7250 8641 11106 9792 14 7276 14960 15611 8233 9632 6764 8803 9813 15 10860 10528 14521 13957 8048 7965 9486 10339 16 9751 20003 14415 9901 10034 5936 8259 10516 17 11746 11681 13884 15627 7981 6854 10701 18 10146 11643 17112 17379 6170 8351 11229 19 9602 11941 13884 11006 11359 7635 10679 20 9523 15546 21171 14505 10687 10645 13344 21 14627 16259 17581 17044 9870 9643 13676 22 7097 8994 8203 23 11990 7890 9754 24 10591 11624 11193 25 9487 7791 8498 26 10875 4953 7230 27 12637 14122 13379 Grand 10955 12937 14596 12181 9828 8400 10978 10960
Most likely it won't. Every season so far has ended an average of 525 higher than where it was at this point in the season.
Won't happen, heading into the business end now. A lot of people will start jumping on bandwagons come the big, season-defining games. Also, the regional round is a good idea being executed poorly, this week's being a case in point: Newcastle and Adelaide mean nothing to Bathurst, it's a varsity town but the game's in the holidays, etc.
They did a bit for the Campbelltown one, but then started the game at 5:30pm on a working weekday. I knew people who actually had tickets but couldn't go, because they were still at work.
Yup. It has made things hella easy for me. This is how the a-league website used to look. It was awesome. Everything was easy to find and informative.