2011/12 Attendance Thread

Discussion in 'Australian A-League' started by Yoshou, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. Tassie Mars

    Tassie Mars New Member

    Nov 6, 2011
    Launceston
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    That was a big answer from Blake8 and he put some compelling views about why Lebanese, Vietnamese and Brits ought to be at A-League games. It is appealing logic but the hard evidence is they don't come in large numbers. Soccer had a big falling out with my generation in 70s-80s with preference for surf, pub music and drop-out culture. It is a great credit to the FFA and the A-League that some support is being clawed back. I congratulate them, they've peaked my interest again and though it is a long road ahead I think Footbal is a great thing and will grow in Australia.
     
  2. Tassie Mars

    Tassie Mars New Member

    Nov 6, 2011
    Launceston
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Try living a place where there are no passenger trains and no one catches a bus to the game. Aurora Stadium regularly sells out for AFL and A-League games. Well, the soccer doesn't sell out, but we get good crowds who enjoy the game. Bring-it-on Victory vs Gold Coast in February
     
  3. Blake8

    Blake8 Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    Sydney
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I think it could too, but it needs alot more dollars behind it, and more people getting to the games, I just got back from the SFS and I think it was maybe 14,000 I didnt hear or see the attendance, 1000 of them were probably from the central coast.
    Good on the sydney fans who made the effort, the rest of you that watched it on foxtel or couldnt be bothered to turn up for a team thats trying its heart out, well your shit I guess.
     
  4. Blake8

    Blake8 Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    Sydney
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I can offer no excuse for sydney football supporters anymore that sit at home on game night, they are worth less than a piece of ground that a dog shits on.
     
  5. Zednaught

    Zednaught Member

    Jan 11, 2011
    Club:
    Adelaide United
    It's pretty simple really.

    Australia was colonised before football was codified (just like the USA, Canada and New Zealand- where all followe different codes). Football clubs in Australia developed at the same time as clubs in Britain. However the clubs in Australia were of a different code.

    Up until relatively recently, there was noway of following sports except in person or by newspaper. Thus people couldn't follow clubs and leagues back in Europe so followed the local clubs- which were of a different sport.

    Migrants from the UK were from the same culture so had little problems fitting in and do not have to hang onto their old sports.

    Migrants from southern europe (the 'wogs') were from a different culture, so tended to from cultural groups and hold onto as much as their culture as they could, so they formed all the ethnic clubs.
     
  6. Zednaught

    Zednaught Member

    Jan 11, 2011
    Club:
    Adelaide United
    Sydney FC could definately have marketed themselves better as a club for all of Sydney. At the moment it seems that they are an Eastern suburbs club- so they don't get as many of the football following fans from the Western suburbs.
     
  7. zhuangzi

    zhuangzi Member

    Feb 7, 2008
    Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
  8. Zednaught

    Zednaught Member

    Jan 11, 2011
    Club:
    Adelaide United
    That's quite interesting.

    I can't really explain why Sydney FC doesn't have the same kind of crowds at the Victory then.
     
  9. zhuangzi

    zhuangzi Member

    Feb 7, 2008
    Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    It's just a different city.

    Melbourne's big on shared experiences, Sydney's always on the phone seeing if there's a cooler party somewhere else.
     
  10. Blake8

    Blake8 Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    Sydney
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Yes it makes you wonder when, and if ever they will see Australia as their true love, not the country their grand parents left.
    In america I noticed every nationality was waving ol glory proudly, and all sung the national anthem with genuine pride, what had united the peoples in America in love of their country, certainly has failed here.
    And I guess they dont see what Australia is or has to offer culterally, as better than what their mother countrys had, because all people where ever they go encounter racism, its part of how the human race functions, I believe it wired into all races to some degree, and like bullying you will never get rid of it.
    The 'wogs' would have copped just as much racism from the anglos in America as they have in Australia if not probably more, but they do seem to rally and support their country America, alot more than the ones that live here do.
    I think here they see Australia as a better place to live, but not one they love yet outside their own communitys.

    I recall when I used to do removalist work around sydney back a while ago, I used to love going into the greek houses especially, they were always usually big dark bullnose brick jobs one story places, nice and cool, and kind of a low lighting in them, it was great to get out of the heat and brighness, there were usually lots of plants and little fountains, lots of holy pictures, ornaments etc and there would always be a middle aged woman in black fussing over you in greek/english and offering you drink and food when you came in, or when you were having a break, they were very hospitable and understanding of hard work, and treated you with alot of respect, it was like leaving the country and steeping straight into a different culture as soon as you walked in, it was everywhere and in everything, god I miss them days sometimes.
     
  11. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But in Football even 5th generation immigrants still cheer for their old country teams 1st or second.

    I know some Italian-Americans that would cheer for Italy over the USA if the faced each other.
     
  12. epris

    epris Member

    May 20, 2007
    Sydney
    Italian Americans seem to me as some of the most fiercely patriotic Americans I've met in my travels, yet at the same time hang proudly to their roots (yet many of the younger generation can't speak fluent Italian).

    Australia apparently has one of the highest rates of inter-ethnic marriage in the western world. We do OK. Blake8, have you ever gone to a Socceroos match? People of all ethnicities/cultures/religions there proudly flying the Aussie flag. Doesn't mean they would support Italy/Greece/Turkey/Iraq over Australia, but its a sign that many have affinity with this wide brown land...
     
  13. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Depends on who you're talking about. There are a lot of "Guidos" among young Italian-Americans. Basically guys that couldn't find Italy on a map, don't understand a word of Italian, but still walk around town sporting the Italia jacket or jersey acting like they are the gods' gift to humanity.
     
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty darn good weekend with only Gold Coast having below 13k and that being significantly below 13k. The "neutral site" game for Wellington really worked out with the team pulling in 20k in Aukland, which is the best attendance for an A-League game in Aukland, Wellington's best regular season attendance, and third best all time, including their lone finals series appearance in the 2009/10 season.

    Code:
    Gold Coast   4031
    Wellington  20078
    Newcastle   13174
    Sydney FC   13947
    Victory     18404
    Total       69634
    Average     13927
    Code:
    Season  Average  Median  %<7k  %>16k  AvgPts  MedPts  <7kPts  >16kPts  AAAQ  AAAQRnk
    2005/06  11936    9827    14%   19%     40      56      38       40     174     4
    2006/07  11521    8439    24%   24%     47      88      63       20     218     5
    2007/08  14325   12231     0%   29%      0       0       0        0       0     1
    2008/09  11612   10932    14%   19%     46      30      38       40     153     2
    2009/10  10577    9573    20%   14%     63      62      53       60     237     6
    2010/11   8386    7929    38%    5%    100     100     100      100     400     7
    2011/12  12602   11051    23%   17%     29      27      60       48     164     3
    Code:
    Round 2005/06  2006/07   007/08  2008/09  2009/10  2010/11  2011/12  Grand 
    1      17552    15741    14554    13331    13631    10810    15970   14412
    2      11181    14584    16994     9670    12130     9045    11154   11979
    3       7921     5897    10135    13585     9153    10512    17502   10838
    4      11651    15024    14828    12870     8674     6624     7331   10666
    5      12031     8832    12291     9502     8361     6571    12728    9965
    6       8366    12658    15131    11281    12008    10018     9601   11184
    7      12087     9928    12442    12001    10084     4801    13927   10459
    8      10516    14910    10077     9818     6198     8745             9805
    9      12175    14260    15352    14736    12529    10465            13118
    10     10400     9824    18308    12294    12238     7359            11431
    11      9299    12580    11149    10145     6891     8868             9705
    12     10143    15235    16371    11396     9746     8478            11452
    13     13204     9640    10709     7522     7250     8641             9322
    14      7276    14960    15611     8233     9632     6764             9994
    15     10860    10528    14521    13957     8048     7965            10552
    16      9751    20003    14415     9901    10034     5936            11000
    17     11746    11681    13884    15627     7981     6854            10701
    18     10146    11643    17112    17379     6170     8351            11229
    19      9602    11941    13884    11006    11359     7635            10679
    20      9523    15546    21171    14505    10687    10645            13344
    21     14627    16259    17581    17044     9870     9643            13676
    22                                          7097     8994             8203
    23                                         11990     7890             9754
    24                                         10591    11624            11193
    25                                          9487     7791             8498
    26                                         10875     4953             7230
    27                                         12637    14122            13379
    Grand  10955    12937    14596    12181     9828     8400    12602   11043
    
     
  15. Blake8

    Blake8 Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    Sydney
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    one of the highest rates of marriage may not mean anything if the rest of the worlds marriage rates between differrent cultures is say 3% average, and we are around 5 %.
    Of course I have been to socceroo matches, and seen lots of non anglos supporting australia, but I believe if you move to another country permanently and become a citizen there, then you dont support anyone against it.
    I doubt even most aussies have an affinity for this wide brown land as you put it, than other cultures, maybe an affinity for the coastline which 90% of the population live along or within a 100 miles of.
     
  16. Tassie Mars

    Tassie Mars New Member

    Nov 6, 2011
    Launceston
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I think this says it better than I ever could. I grew up in Sydney and Soccer was always my preferred Football Code. Sydney culture is not inherently a soccer culture. FFA - its your job to work on this.
     
  17. Tassie Mars

    Tassie Mars New Member

    Nov 6, 2011
    Launceston
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I think a western Sydney Club is not an option, it is a necessity to keep interest alive in Sydney Soccer. I would love to see a Tasmania United, in fact we will eventually see it but, first me must have a Sydney Derby.
     
  18. vevo5

    vevo5 Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    good season so far for the A-league
     
  19. Blake8

    Blake8 Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    Sydney
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I think we have stabilised this year, and we will probably rise a little in future but not sink further than what we have, and we can probably thank the Melbourne Victory supporters for keeping this competition alive so far.
     
  20. Zednaught

    Zednaught Member

    Jan 11, 2011
    Club:
    Adelaide United
    I suspect that a Tasmania United would end up similar to North Queensland and yeah, a Sydney derby should be the first priority.
     
  21. Blake8

    Blake8 Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    Sydney
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    The old countrys, Italy, croatia etc have very long past historys, Australia does not, so it seems the past has alot to do with the present and future attitudes of someones nationality.
     
  22. Tassie Mars

    Tassie Mars New Member

    Nov 6, 2011
    Launceston
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Firstly, to correct my earlier post: "A Western Sydney Team should be the FIRST option. Very important. Yes, a dedicated Tasmania United Team is a long shot. Australian Football is deeply ingrained in the culture here and yet we can only mangae a proxy team, Hawthorn. The curious thing is that, much like Sydney and Melbourne, we have a strong junior soccer culture. The pathway to senior Leagues is still confused.
     
  23. Blake8

    Blake8 Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    Sydney
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    That would take half of the Sydney FC supporters away, we would have then even more embarressing attendance figures.
    We also have 3 teams in NSW already, I think the ideal solution would be to move Sydney FC out west, perhaps inner west, and build from there.
     
  24. Gaboo

    Gaboo Member

    Jan 14, 2008
    Singapore
    Club:
    Fortuna Düsseldorf 1895
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Since this thread is already talking about potential for future expansion, I´d like to ask for your opinion regarding something.

    Since Australia seems to be lacking markets with sufficient potential (at least that´s what I get out of this thread so far), how about New Zealand? Whenever the Phoenix play outside of Wellington, they have drawn extremely well (correct me if I´m wrong). Do you think, cities like Auckland or Christchurch could support an A-League team? Would a NZ derby help the league and Phoenix or harm them?

    Don´t understand this to be a suggestion but rather a question, since my knowledge about NZ regarding these matters is very limited.
     
  25. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aukland already had an A-League club and it drew flies. They held most of the A-league records for lowest attendances until Gold Coast came along. Maybe with a different ownership group Aukland would work, but history doesn't bode well for a club there.
     

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