2011/12 Attendance Thread

Discussion in 'Australian A-League' started by Yoshou, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator Staff Member

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    It's only a month +/- a few days before the start of the season, so I figured I'd get this thread going again. As you might recall, last season was a dismal year with the lowest average attendance in A-League history and the North Queensland Fury joining the New Zealand Knights in oblivion. One hopes that the only way is up for A-League and the league has made a number of changes, including avoiding the Grand Finales for NRL and AFL. I've made a modification to how the rankings are determined to start using the ranking system used in the MLS attendance thread. Instead of giving each season a number ranking for each data point and then giving it an average rank based on that, each season's data point is given a number between 0 and 100 where 0 is the best number for that data point and 100 is the worst.

    Just to give you an idea of what I'm talking about here is the final numbers for the previous season using the old way of determing the rankings:

    Code:
    [B]Season   Average  Change  Median   Change  %<7k    %>16k  [/B]    
    2005/06  10955.0     -    10939.0     -    20.24%  11.90%      
    2006/07  12936.8   18.1%  11511.0    5.2%  17.86%  23.81%      
    2007/08  14596.0   12.8%  12772.0   11.0%   3.57%  33.33%      
    2008/09  12180.9  -16.5%  10613.0  -16.9%  14.29%  20.24%      
    2009/10   9827.8  -19.3%   8200.0  -22.7%  32.59%  12.59%      
    2010/11   8400.1  -14.5%   7212.0  -12.0%  45.45%   7.27%      
                      
    [B]Season  Avg Rank  Med Rank  <7k Rank  <16k Rank  Avg Rank [/B]       
    2005/06    4         3          4         5         4        
    2006/07    2         2          3         2         2.25        
    2007/08    1         1          1         1         1        
    2008/09    3         4          2         3         3        
    2009/10    5         5          5         4         4.75       
    2010/11    6         6          6         6         6 
    With the new system, the numbers look like this:

    Code:
    [B]Season  Average Median  %<7k   %>16k  AvgPts  MedPts  <7kPts  >16kPts  AAAQ  AAAQRnk[/B]
    2005/06  10955  10939  20.24%  11.90%   59      33      40       82     214     4
    2006/07  12937  11511  17.86%  23.81%   27      23      34       37     120     2
    2007/08  14596  12772   3.57%  33.33%   0        0       0        0       0     1
    2008/09  12181  10613  14.29%  20.24%   39      39      26       50     154     3
    2009/10   9828   8200  32.59%  12.59%   77      82      69       80     308     5
    2010/11   8400   7212  45.45%   7.27%  100     100     100      100     400     6
    
    None of the seasons changed their rankings, but it does at least show the relative differences between each season a little better.


  2. el-capitano

    el-capitano Moderator Staff Member

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    'Arry & Emmo might just help in dragging those number back above 10,000 a game. ;)
  3. Yoshou

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    Just getting the Victory's and Sydney's numbers back to where they were a few seasons ago would be amazing. Beckham's signing was the turning point for MLS, hopefully Kewell's and Emerton's signing will have a similar effect with A-League.
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  4. Yoshou

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    One week down and so far the results are positive, at least in regards to comparison to last year. However, that is largely thanks to the Melbourne/Sydney match pulling in 40k. Not much can be made on the analysis front due to the small number of games, but as far as opening weekends go, the attendance was good, but everything else leaves much to be desired. Next week we'll find out how big a draw Kewell and Emmerton are away and home, respectively.

    Code:
    Team        AVG
    Newcastle  12467
    Melbourne  40351
    Brisbane   13467
    Gold Coast  4113
    Perth       9452
    Total      79850
    Avg        15970
    
    Code:
    Season   Average  Median   %<7k     %>16k  AvgPts MedPts <7kPts >16kPts AAAQ  AAAQRnk
    2005/06   14999   13160    0.00%   33.33%   19     63      0       71    154    4
    2006/07   14564   15781    0.00%   33.33%   27     18      0       71    117    3
    2007/08   14598   16828    0.00%   66.67%   27     0       0       0      27    1
    2008/09   14270   16022    0.00%   66.67%   33     14      0       0      47    2
    2009/10   13631   13847   20.00%   40.00%   45     52     100      57    254    5
    2010/11   10810   11050   20.00%   20.00%   100    100    100      100   400    7
    2011/12   15970   12467   20.00%   20.00%   0      75     100      100   275    6
    
                               
    Round  2005/06   2006/07   2007/08   2008/09   2009/10   2010/11   2011/12   Grand
    1       17552     15741     14554     13331     13631     10810     15970    14412
    2       11181     14584     16994      9670     12130      9045              12138
    3        7921      5897     10135     13585      9153     10512               9557
    4       11651     15024     14828     12870      8674      6624              11307
    5       12031      8832     12291      9502      8361      6571               9434
    6        8366     12658     15131     11281     12008     10018              11477
    7       12087      9928     12442     12001     10084      4801               9817
    8       10516     14910     10077      9818      6198      8745               9805
    9       12175     14260     15352     14736     12529     10465              13118
    10      10400      9824     18308     12294     12238      7359              11431
    11       9299     12580     11149     10145      6891      8868               9705
    12      10143     15235     16371     11396      9746      8478              11452
    13      13204      9640     10709      7522      7250      8641               9322
    14       7276     14960     15611      8233      9632      6764               9994
    15      10860     10528     14521     13957      8048      7965              10552
    16       9751     20003     14415      9901     10034      5936              11000
    17      11746     11681     13884     15627      7981      6854              10701
    18      10146     11643     17112     17379      6170      8351              11229
    19       9602     11941     13884     11006     11359      7635              10679
    20       9523     15546     21171     14505     10687     10645              13344
    21      14627     16259     17581     17044      9870      9643              13676
    22                                               7097      8994               8203
    23                                              11990      7890               9754
    24                                              10591     11624              11193
    25                                               9487      7791               8498
    26                                              10875      4953               7230
    27                                              12637     14122              13379
    Grand   10955     12937     14596     12181      9828      8400     15970    10997
    


  5. Zednaught

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    Don't think we will see another 40k crowd until finals but Victorians are band wagoners and will attend if the Victory look like winning.

    I wonder how much of an impact on crowds has starting the season a fortnight after the AFL/NRL season has had.
  6. Zednaught

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    Adelaide v Victory game has being sold out by all reports.

    Yes, it's only Hindmarsh but nonetheless a very good result.

    Adelaide really should think of the possibilty of moving big games against the Victory to the Adelaide Oval.
  7. el-capitano

    el-capitano Moderator Staff Member

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    But wouldn't you rather have a packed 16,500 at Hindmarsh, rather than 25,000 spread out over the Oval? ;)
  8. Zednaught

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    The oval only holds about 33,000 and a crowd of 25k + look suprisingly good at the ground.

    I don't know if your watch AFL- I watch and follow pretty much every sport I can - but the Port Adelaide v Melbourne game at the Adelaide Oval had a very achievable crowd and looked great.

    Adelaide United could make those crowds at the Oval against the Victory.
  9. Yoshou

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    It's near impossible to tell, unfortunately. That 40k number in Melbourne is going to completely destroy any attempts at comparison. The Brisbane game was about 3100 over their first game last year, Gold Coast was down 2200, Newcastle was up 3700, and Melbourne about 13,000. Is that due to not starting the season until after the Grand Finals? Improved advertising? Kewell and Emerton joining the league? Their opponents? Who knows. All that being said, if the numbers continue to be up in the next month or so, I'm sure the press will be giving the delay a lot of the credit.
  10. ceezmad

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    Well second highest opening average ever (at least on the chart).

    with out the big game the average is 9,875 for the other 4 games, that by it self is higher that the total average the past 2 seasons, that is good at least early on. :)
  11. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator Staff Member

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    That's true, but that 40k game is really, really skewing the numbers. As you note, without the 40k game, the average is sub 10k, which is pretty dismal for an opening week. It will be interesting to see what the Kewell/Emerton effect is throughout the league. So far the Kewell effect is looking quite nice.
  12. Yoshou

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    Well, I hope everyone likes the late start to the A-League season, because it is hard to argue that this year isn't a step above last season at this point and I'm sure the late start, plus Kewell and Emerton, will get a fair amount of credit for that. If it weren't for a distinct lack of +16k games, this season would be ranked in 4th. Of course, not everything is rainbows and unicorns. The Heart have taken a 35% hit compared to their first game last year, so I'm guessing the Victory's Kewell bump has resulted in the Heart's divot.

    It will be interesting to see how the rest of the season works out as the impact of the 40k Victory match is lessened and teams start to have their second game of the season.


    Code:
    Adelaide       14753
    Central Coast  10374
    Sydney FC      15789
    Wellington      7623
    Heart           7229
    Total          55768
    Average        11154
    
    Code:
    Season   Average  Median %<7k  %>16k AvgPts  MedPts  <7kPts  >16kPts  AAAQ  AAAQRnk
    2005/06   15176   12137    0%   33%     0      38       0        0     38      2
    2006/07   12390   11543   17%   33%    53      49      67        0    168      5
    2007/08   13583   14327    0%   33%    30       0       0        0     30      1
    2008/09   12189   10724    0%   33%    57      63       0        0    119      3
    2009/10   12881   11936   10%   30%    43      42      40       14    140      4
    2010/11    9890    8607   25%   17%   100     100     100       71    371      7
    2011/12   13562   11421   10%   10%    31      51      40      100    221      6
    Code:
    Round 2005/06  2006/07  2007/08  2008/09  2009/10  2010/11  2011/12  Grand
    1      17552    15741    14554    13331    13631    10810    15970   14412      
    2      11181    14584    16994     9670    12130     9045    11154   11979      
    3       7921     5897    10135    13585     9153    10512             9557      
    4      11651    15024    14828    12870     8674     6624            11307      
    5      12031     8832    12291     9502     8361     6571             9434      
    6       8366    12658    15131    11281    12008    10018            11477      
    7      12087     9928    12442    12001    10084     4801             9817      
    8      10516    14910    10077     9818     6198     8745             9805      
    9      12175    14260    15352    14736    12529    10465            13118      
    10     10400     9824    18308    12294    12238     7359            11431      
    11      9299    12580    11149    10145     6891     8868             9705      
    12     10143    15235    16371    11396     9746     8478            11452      
    13     13204     9640    10709     7522     7250     8641             9322      
    14      7276    14960    15611     8233     9632     6764             9994      
    15     10860    10528    14521    13957     8048     7965            10552      
    16      9751    20003    14415     9901    10034     5936            11000      
    17     11746    11681    13884    15627     7981     6854            10701      
    18     10146    11643    17112    17379     6170     8351            11229      
    19      9602    11941    13884    11006    11359     7635            10679      
    20      9523    15546    21171    14505    10687    10645            13344      
    21     14627    16259    17581    17044     9870     9643            13676      
    22                                          7097     8994             8203      
    23                                         11990     7890             9754      
    24                                         10591    11624            11193      
    25                                          9487     7791             8498      
    26                                         10875     4953             7230      
    27                                         12637    14122            13379      
    Grand  10955   12937    14596     12181     9828     8400   13562    10998      
    
  13. Zednaught

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    The Heart would have lost the novelty factor compared to last years opening games.
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    Also they aren't that good.
  15. Yoshou

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    Neither are the Victory. :) But we'll see what it looks like in the 2nd game. A 35% drop is pretty severe for a "new car smell" dropoff, IMHO.
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    Victorians are bandwagoners in all sports.
  17. Blake8

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    I think Heart is a big mistake, they would be be better off having the second club at Geelong.
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    Geelong doesn't have the population/ the interest in any sporting team outside the Cats.
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    Stadium also an issue there.
  20. Zednaught

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    Kardinia Park would be the 'best' of all the oval stadiums in Australia.
    Still not ideal but it wouldn't be too horrible.

    A Geelong team would almost certainly get a good stadium deal as well.
  21. Yoshou

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    I dunno.. There just might be something to this Melbourne rivalry. :)

    Another very good week by the hosting teams. Another 40k Victory attendance, but even outside of that there was only one club below 12k, which is phenomenal, IMHO. The AAQ numbers also bear this out. Sure the above 16k% isn't that great, but I'm starting to think that the number might be too high. The impressive number is the median which is #2 in A-League history, so even with the two 40k numbers, this season is not doing too shabby.

    Code:
    Brisbane    13425
    Adelaide    12054
    Victory     39309
    Perth        8299
    Newcastle   14421
    Total       87508
    Average     17502
    
    Code:
      
    Season  Average  Median  %<7k  %>16k  AvgPts  MedPts  <7kPts  >16kPts  AAAQ  AAAQRnk
    2005/06  13746   11113   11%    33%     24      57      50        0     131     2
    2006/07  14454    8785   11%    33%     10     100      50        0     160     5
    2007/08  15000   14233    0%    33%      0       0       0        0       0     1
    2008/09  12733   10932   11%    33%     43      61      50        0     154     3
    2009/10  11638   10024   13%    20%     64      77      60       60     261     6
    2010/11   9747    9118   22%    11%    100      94     100      100     394     7
    2011/12  14875   12467    7%    13%      2      32      30       90     155     4
    
    Code:
    Round  2005/06  2006/07  2007/08  2008/09  2009/10  2010/11  2011/12  Grand
    1       17552    15741    14554    13331    13631    10810    15970   14412    
    2       11181    14584    16994     9670    12130     9045    11154   11979    
    3        7921     5897    10135    13585     9153    10512    17502   10838    
    4       11651    15024    14828    12870     8674     6624            11307    
    5       12031     8832    12291     9502     8361     6571             9434    
    6        8366    12658    15131    11281    12008    10018            11477    
    7       12087     9928    12442    12001    10084     4801             9817    
    8       10516    14910    10077     9818     6198     8745             9805    
    9       12175    14260    15352    14736    12529    10465            13118    
    10      10400     9824    18308    12294    12238     7359            11431    
    11       9299    12580    11149    10145     6891     8868             9705    
    12      10143    15235    16371    11396     9746     8478            11452    
    13      13204     9640    10709     7522     7250     8641             9322    
    14       7276    14960    15611     8233     9632     6764             9994    
    15      10860    10528    14521    13957     8048     7965            10552    
    16       9751    20003    14415     9901    10034     5936            11000    
    17      11746    11681    13884    15627     7981     6854            10701    
    18      10146    11643    17112    17379     6170     8351            11229    
    19       9602    11941    13884    11006    11359     7635            10679    
    20       9523    15546    21171    14505    10687    10645            13344    
    21      14627    16259    17581    17044     9870     9643            13676    
    22                                           7097     8994             8203    
    23                                          11990     7890             9754    
    24                                          10591    11624            11193    
    25                                           9487     7791             8498    
    26                                          10875     4953             7230    
    27                                          12637    14122            13379    
    Grand   10955    12937    14596    12181     9828     8400    14875   11048
  22. Blake8

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    Geelong heart?
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    Looking at your list, this looks like the 5th best week ever (average).
  24. Yoshou

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    Huh. I did all the prep work, but forgot to post the results for this week. But there hasn't been a game yet, so it still counts! As awesome as last week was for the numbers, this week sucked giant kangaroo balls. Why is Gold Coast still in the league? Seriously, their owner is a steaming pile of poo and the league would be better without him. Sadly, he keeps coming back. Oh well, not like the rest of the league did that well. Only one team was able to pull in over 10k and the fans of that team went home with a gigantic smile on their face. 7-1.. Wow... That's a beat down and a half.

    Code:
    Brisbane        11762
    Central Coast    6883
    Heart            5666
    Gold Coast       2974
    Wellington       9369
    Total           36654
    Average          7331
    Code:
    Season  Average  Median  %<7k  %>16k  AvgPts  MedPts  <7kPts  >16kPts  AAAQ  AAAQRnk
    2005/06  12479    11020  15%    23%     25      29      43      34      130     3
    2006/07  12339     8052  23%    23%     27     100      64      34      225     5
    2007/08  13709    12231   0%    23%      0       0       0      34       34     1
    2008/09  13166    11732   8%    31%     11      12      21       0       44     2
    2009/10  11101    10024  19%    14%     52      53      53      72      230     6
    2010/11   8712     8300  36%     8%    100      94     100     100      394     7
    2011/12  12989    11068  20%    10%     14      28      56      91      189     4
                    
    Round  2005/06  2006/07  2007/08  2008/09  2009/10  2010/11  2011/12   Grand
    1       17552    15741    14554    13331    13631    10810    15970    14412    
    2       11181    14584    16994     9670    12130     9045    11154    11979    
    3        7921     5897    10135    13585     9153    10512    17502    10838    
    4       11651    15024    14828    12870     8674     6624     7331    10666    
    5       12031     8832    12291     9502     8361     6571              9434    
    6        8366    12658    15131    11281    12008    10018             11477    
    7       12087     9928    12442    12001    10084     4801              9817    
    8       10516    14910    10077     9818     6198     8745              9805    
    9       12175    14260    15352    14736    12529    10465             13118    
    10      10400     9824    18308    12294    12238     7359             11431    
    11       9299    12580    11149    10145     6891     8868              9705    
    12      10143    15235    16371    11396     9746     8478             11452    
    13      13204     9640    10709     7522     7250     8641              9322    
    14       7276    14960    15611     8233     9632     6764              9994    
    15      10860    10528    14521    13957     8048     7965             10552    
    16       9751    20003    14415     9901    10034     5936             11000    
    17      11746    11681    13884    15627     7981     6854             10701    
    18      10146    11643    17112    17379     6170     8351             11229    
    19       9602    11941    13884    11006    11359     7635             10679    
    20       9523    15546    21171    14505    10687    10645             13344    
    21      14627    16259    17581    17044     9870     9643             13676    
    22                                           7097     8994              8203    
    23                                          11990     7890              9754    
    24                                          10591    11624             11193    
    25                                           9487     7791              8498    
    26                                          10875     4953              7230    
    27                                          12637    14122             13379    
    Grand   10955    12937    14596    12181     9828     8400    12989    11019    
    
  25. Blake8

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    yeh the Gold coast owner must be thick as a brick.

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