*rolling on the floor laughing my ass off* I like you Jared, but c'mon. I watch a lot of Mexican soccer. Goalkeeping is not one their strong suits.
I meant to say 4-10 there would be majority mexicans. Sorry about that. If your still LYAO then lets see you make a 4-10 list of the best goalkeepers in Concacaf where Mexicans are not a majority. if not STFU bro
Yes you are right Oswaldo Sanchez is still good. He is currently the GK for the best team in Mexico. And Talavera is the current Mexican Champ who is going through probably the best moment in his Career. Thank you for helping me prove my point that the best 4-10 goalkeepers in all of Concacaf are majority mexicans
Yes you are right maybe there are good goalkeepers in C.A., Canada, and in the Islands. But who are they playing against? Mexican Goalkeepers are playing against the best strikers and midfielders in all of Concacaf. And in some cases the best players in South America with Libertadores and making it very far....so one has to give Mexican Goalkeepers the edge.
What has Navas done at the club level exactly? Because Cruz Azul players got tired of scoring on him in the CCL the past couple of years. winning the Costa Rican League is not enough
True, and I am not sure how many other concacaf GKs play in Europe, I know that there are at least 3 Americans in EPL, I believe that there is one in Champions division (2nd div). Ricketts used to play in ELP and DIV2 teams in England he is now with the Galaxy so I am not sure where he would rank, Costa Rica GK in now in Spanish Segunda, and they have a prospect in Holland, I believe that there are no Canadians in any major league in Europe, there are some Americans in smaller European leagues, not sure how many of them play in champions or UEFA cup competitions. But yes, Mexican goalkeepers do face the best competition in concacaf that is a fact. But like crazy yank said; GK is not strength in Mexico. There are many good to average GKs in the Mexican league, but to your point, average may still be good enough to be top 10 in concacaf.
He only started 6 games in the hex? He doesn`t have the same competition for the starting spot the way Mexican goalkeepers do so what gives.... You keep saying that he has been so damn awesome for both Club and Country and you say that he is the best GK in Concacaf after the 3 Americans playing in the EPL but I don`t see it. I don`t agree
Is not that I agree, it is just that I do not have the facts to prove you wrong. And if I had to guess, they yes, I too would say that in a top 10 GK list, the great majority would be from Mexico and the USA, maybe top 3 USA, next 5 Mexico, last 2 USA. But I am sure people that follow Central American; Canadian and Caribbean players would disagree.
Do we want to try and do the vote now or should we wait until the end of the year and add anyone else who may crop up? IMO, if we do the latter we will have a truer 2010 best 23.
I would like to give an honorable mention to PR Islanders' GK Bill Gaudette. IMHO, he's been the most important player in the Islanders' rise to respectability. He's even been lauded by on several occasions by Telefutura's biased commentators.
If wasting time when yout team is winning is a + then yes he should be up there at least in club competition.
If you play EA Sports FIFA 11 there is now a CONCACAF Best XI available to download and play with. It's actually 25 players based on opinion of course. http://www.ea.com/soccer/fifa/creation-centre?team_id=41590511
Though many may not like it, but he is ours now, you have to add: Jermaine Jones, MF, Schalke '04 (USA). And any GK list that has Guzan ahead of Friedel is just silly. They play for the same club and Guzan only watches or plays cup games. Really, even at his advanced age, Kasey Keller is still probably in the top 10 as well. But Jones has to be added. And although neither has the pedigree of some of the Mexican attackers or Suazo, Fuller, etc, USA's Buddle and CR's Saborio are playing very well in MLS.
Here's my shot at a CONCACAF best 23. Beyond the obvious names, I tried to favor current performance over potential with my selections. ------------------Howard------------------ Cherundolo----Moreno--Bocanegra----Salcido --Donovan(c)--Bradley--Holden--Dempsey-- ------------Ruiz-----Hernandez------------ Bench: Hahnemann, Michel; Figueroa, Rodriguez, Marquez, Juarez; Palacios, J. Jones, Edu, Barrera, Guardado; K. Jones. Donovan would be captain, since he's currently the best player in CONCACAF. I would however be open to giving that title to a different player such as the little pea, but only if Donovan refuses to challenge himself professionally by January 31, 2011.
Donovan the best player in Concacaf? Lil Pea is lighting up one of the best teams in the planet and he's waiting to see if Donovan is gonna challenge himself by Jan? Pfft. Little Pea is doing something no one from Concacaf could even dream of doing. Also...an American midfield and 7 American players starting? I guess we can expect Concacafs best to bunker against the rest of the world.
You're right, maybe benching Wilson Palacios is a little harsh but he isn't a guarantee in the Tottenham midfield like last season, maybe I should stick him in instead of Holden? Otherwise, which players do you object to. Maybe somebody like Edgar Alvarez should be on the list instead of a part-time player in a league like the SPL? What CONCACAF players are starting and consistently playing well in the top leagues in the world that I left off? And believe me, I had some trouble coming up with 8 defenders for the 23 due to the lack of proven quality in CONCACAF. And concerning Landon Donovan being the best player in CONCACAF, I consider just like the case for Rafa Marquez his last 3 seasons at Barcelona. During this period, even though Marquez was not one of the top 2 center backs at Barca a large proportion of the posters in this forum still argued he was the best player in CONCACAF due to his prior accomplishments. At this point in time, it's the same thing with Donovan, although Ruiz and Hernandez are building good resumes.
during that time no other player was lighting it up on one of the biggest clubs in world football the way Hernandez is. plus c`mon the best player in Concacaf can`t play on the galaxy for craps sake!
I don't get it tho what are you trying to say ? What has LD accomlished ? Chicharito is actually on the field on a good league scoring goals , Clearly best player in our region right now .
Hmm... prior accomplishments? What has Donovan done? 3 Gold Cups (at home) is about as much as one can say. The Lamar Hunt US Cup (wtf is that?). Marquez (being a defender) scored more goals in Europe, granted over a lot more games played, but that is also something worth mentioning (time in Europe). Donovan plays for Galaxy, Marquez played for perhaps one of the best teams ever assembled, French Champion, Spanish Champion (multiple) European champion (multiple)... etc etc etc. Confederations Cup champion as well. Come on man, don't put these two in the same paragraph, totally different categories. Your lineup, Bocanegra gives the captain Band to Donovan? Bocanegra benches Rafa? Bocanegra is now where Rafa was when Rafa started his Europe stint, except in a crappier lower table team. Cherundolo? That german team has been in the lower half of the table since he's been there (not saying because of him). Bradley, also mediocre german team, recently promoted. Before that mediocre Netherlands team. Holden, OK but he's scottish ;-), besides nothing to write home about, would not bench Gio IMHO. Dempsey is actually very good IMHO, prolly best US player today. But oh well, we all have our bias. /p
