2008 CONCACAF Champions Cup (MLS edition)

It's not necessary to prove anything about the ballboy - as has been pointed out, that's a red herring. It's moot...though for what it's worth, apparently you don't have eyes, because the delaying tactics of at least one over-age ballboy were clearly captured on the FSC broadcast. If you refuse to accept evidence that everyone else on this thread saw with their own eyes, then you are correct, I cannot in fact prove anything to you.

It would not be possible for me to prove your point, however, since the only point you've tried to make is that "life isn't fair," and yet you seem constitutionally incapable of accepting that very point yourself.

As I've said before, I don't care if Saprissa is punished or not...but for you to tell other teams to man up to the intimidating atmosphere there, while at the same time refusing to accept that Saprissa and its fans should have to man up and accept punishment for their violent behavior is disingenuous at best and hypocritical at worst.

See: http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14194006&postcount=494

Or allow me to present two situations...
Situation 1: A visiting player gets hit by a battery thrown by fans in San Jose.

Situation 2: A ball boy refuses to give the opposing keeper the ball. The keeper pushes him while trying to get the ball. A visiting player gets hit by a battery thrown by fans.

So, what do these situations have in common?

The fans were completely and totally in the wrong for throwing a battery at a player.

The ball boy thing doesn't matter. At all.

No, not even a little.

That's called a red herring. But you know that. Red herrings are your dominant form of argument. That and personal attacks.

No offense but aren't you worried about DC United playing in Pachuca?

So there still no evidence or eyewitnesses to support your claim. With your logic, I could say that GK told the ball boy he was going to rape him. The ballboy said no, and the GK got his feelings hurt.

When did I personally attacked anyone in this forum?

Of course I am. Historically, any MLS team playing in Mexico is up against it.

The differences this time:
1. DC is actually a good team, probably one of the best that MLS has produced. Granted, it's preseason and who knows whether they'll truly gel, but this team has loads of talent.
2. Pachuca, as Mexican fans will attest, is playing some pretty poor football right now. They have slipped substantially since winning a spot in the CWC.
3. The first game is in Mexico. Which means if DC can play tight and keep it close, they come home with a real chance. Home field in the 2nd game is definitely a help.

I am not trying to deviate from anything. I am bringing everything on the table. Your friends are the ones ignoring facts and speculating.

I won't discuss specific cases, but you have received more than a dozen infractions, including several in the last couple of months. Almost all were a direct result of either trolling or attacking another user. This doesn't include your many socks.

Roll your eyes all you want. People here know the score.

DC United a good team? I still haven't forgottent the asswhooping they got by UNAM Pumas in 2005. It was 3 years ago but I am pretty sure they still remember that...

The only team, talent wise, that I see getting some sort of result away is Houston Dynamo. They not only have the tactics, effectiveness, and the players to do so, but unlike all of ther other MLS teams (with the exception of NE Revs), they have something they have been lacking for years and that is consistency.

This statement doesn't respond in any way to my post. Why did you bother to quote it if you were just going to throw another out red herring about how righteous you are and how wicked "my friends" (who am i friends with again?) are?

How is that relevant here? When did I personally attack anyone in this forum? Are you so desperate now to attack me because I have detroyed the arguments from about 10 MMLS fans?

What does the result of a game 3 years ago have to do with the current talent level of DC United?

Have you ever actually tried to follow your logic?

True, but they're playing Saprissa, not Pachuca.

That Pumas game is ancient history relatively, as the roster has had considerable turnover since then.

More relevent would be the fact that DC played a number of games against Mexican competition just last year with the following results:

CCC vs. Chivas T, 1-1
CCC @ Chivas L, 1-2
SuperLiga vs. Morelia T, 1-1
SuperLiga vs. America W, 1-0
Sudamericana vs. Chivas W, 2-1
Sudamericana @ Chivas L, 0-1

Nothing in that suggests that DCU will be blown out by Pachuca. They might, of course, but referencing the Pumas loss from 2005 seems pretty pointless to me.

In all honesty, I don't even know what your point is.

Mine is this:
If Saprissa supporters threw objects at Atlante players (which they clearly did, as seen in this footage: [youtube]Tg4QNO3F7L0[/youtube]), and if one of those objects struck an Atlante player (which it may have done, as seen around the 2:17 mark of this clip:
[youtube]0awgv45p5Ho[/youtube]) then Saprissa supporters such as yourself are in no position to complain if CONCACAF chooses to punish Saprissa for failing to provide a safe atmosphere for the match.

It's an "if A then B" argument. Note the "if". Investigating is up to CONCACAF (though there is clearly enough video evidence on youtube to warrant an investigation). I don't care if they decide to punish Saprissa or not. I really don't. I just find it hypocritical that you - Mr. "Life Isn't Fair" - can't seem to accept that IF a player was struck by a projectile, THEN Saprissa should be punished, just like other teams are, and just like Saprissa itself has been in the past.

By contrast, you don't seem to have a point at all, other than a simple belief that others are wrong because they don't agree with you.