1 Million Signed Petition to Recall Wisconsin Governor

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  1. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I remember that, but I can defend that as being in the interest of Wisconsin taxpayers. That's not my actual view of course, but if you truly believe that public-sector unions are causing budgetary damage and that it's the principled, correct thing to do to cripple them before they cripple the state, etc. ... well you can make argument. Substitute Koch brothers for public-sector unions if you like, that might help.

    But this? Sellout. It's like going huffy on the Koch Brothers and cutting a deal with ALEC. Hell Rahm Emmanuel didn't kiss off ANY Chicago unions when he ran for office ... if you want to celebrate a politician standing up to unions for what he thinks is right, Rahm is your man. Not make-a-deal Walker.

    But Rahm is a Dem and he doesn't grandstand, so he's not a Fox hero.
     
  2. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    You I will keep as a pet and call you Polly.
     
  3. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    You sure know how to sweet talk a fella
     
  4. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
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    How do you think I get away with all the shit I pull? I am one handsome and charming motherfucker
     
  5. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
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    And humble. Let's not forget about that...
     
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  6. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Matt, YOU should be the only one. Maybe Timon and Mastershake too, but let's face it; if the Libertarian movement were as strong as it appears on P&CE today, Ron Paul would have the nomination, not Mitt Romney. It boggles the mind how many libertarians the Republican Party has had since 2009.
     
  7. SnakeEyes

    SnakeEyes Member

    Oct 7, 2001
    Example?
     
  8. That Phat Hat

    That Phat Hat Member+

    Nov 14, 2002
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    You could go two ways - where corporations use government as an extension of its interest: i.e. "Tort reform", various legislations written by ALEC and SOPA. That stuff might seem like "government", but really, that's just the end product.

    Or you could look at something like arbitration clauses, which is a uniformly adopted practice of preventing employees and consumers from exercising legal recourse.
     
  9. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
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    If I had just a bit more humility, I'd be perfect
     
  10. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    Shame. If you had just a bit more humility you could be as perfect as I am.

    So, was the election in Wisconsin basically a referendum on the governor standing up to the public unions, or did it come down to other issues?
     
  11. WarrenWallace

    WarrenWallace Member

    Mar 12, 1999
    Beer and Cheese
    Some 20% or so of registered Democrats voted for Walker in the recall. Reasoning was that they didn't believe in a recall without basically criminal wrong doing.
     
  12. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

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    As a practical matter, arbitration is necessary to keep our court system from reaching its critical mass. Every time some guy bats his eyes at a girl, she runs to claim sexual harassment. It's necessary to maintain a functioning court system for the cases that really matter. MOST, and I emphasize "most", of this stuff can be handled appropriately through arbitration. Now can some employers abuse that? Without a doubt.
     
  13. That Phat Hat

    That Phat Hat Member+

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    No offense, but you're being simultaneously alarmist and naïve.

    Which is to say, I think you're right in theory, if not in practice. The stuff you talk about probably gets dealt with before the "independent" arbitrator is brought in.
     
  14. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    So the issue of recalls was in itself a big factor then. People were voting for Walker just to protest the idea of recalls? I remember there being talk about it possibly being a factor when we had the recall in California, but in the end it was not. I think Gray Davis was simply too unpopular at the time for it to become a factor.
     
  15. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Not really. Civil cases generally are not the reason the court systems are bogging down. Drug cases are.
     
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  16. Macsen

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    Particularly, cases involving marijuana. Cos, mari-ja-wana is bad, mmkay?
     
  17. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    Get back to me when New York becomes self-sufficient with regards to it's energy consumption and food production.
     
  18. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    Shut up and get back to work. Those arugula aren't gonna grow themselves.*




    *Or maybe they are. I'm not exactly sure.
     
  19. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Yes, and the stats back you up, there, don't they!
     
  20. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

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    It happened in Cali b/c far right conservatives weren't able to insist on an insanely conservative candidate for governor that would be rejected by moderates and urban fiscal conservatives who couldn't give a rat's ass about the social issues that are the red meat for red state Republicans. Hate him or love him, Awnuld was/is a moderate Republican.
     
  21. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

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    Super easy to grow. It's basically a weed, and b/c it has a peppery taste, many of the nasty bugs hate hate hate arugula.

    More and more restaurants are simply growing their own in containers.
     

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