1 Million Signed Petition to Recall Wisconsin Governor

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  1. That Phat Hat

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    The one with Obama up by 5 points?
     
  2. SnakeEyes

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    Oct 7, 2001
    Awesome job Wisconsin, kudos to Walker for surviving standing up to the politically entrenched unions that most politicians have long feared to challenge too much. This is a fantastic victory for economic freedom. He belongs among the great union busters such as Reagan and Thatcher.
     
  3. Dr. Wankler

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    When you use Orwellian costructions like "economic freedom" when you mean to say, "unrestricted rights for corporations," you degrade the concept of freedom pretty seriously.

    But your entire posts featuresca nearly toxic accumulation of cliches, so I don't think you care.
     
  4. tomwilhelm

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    "toxic accumulation of cliches"

    I like that one. Might steal it sometime...
     
  5. JohnR

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    That was a crushing. Seemingly, the more a governor beats on public sector employees, the more popular he becomes. This will encourage other GOP governors to take a harder line; in fact, if they don't, the Tea Party will likely primary them.
     
  6. American Brummie

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    I made a bigger post in the 2012 thread, but the Democrats took the State Senate.
     
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  7. JohnR

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    That won't affect Republicans smacking down public-sector unions. Walker is halfway to being a VP nominee, and Christie went from nowhere to being begged to run as POTUS nominee. Ass kicking unions is gold to the GOP core and centrist voters like it too.
     
  8. Germerica

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    Actually seems to be a decent chance of it going to a recount. Although who has control of the State Senate really matters little, as the legislature isn't scheduled to reconvene until January and everyone has to defend their seat in November anyway.
     
  9. American Brummie

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    You think that, Jane, if it gives you comfort.
     
  10. Germerica

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    Hah! Doesn't make me feel any better or worse. I'm pretty much just regurgitating analysis I've heard in the weeks leading up to the election.
     
  11. American Brummie

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    I was thinking about the power of incumbency and the likelihood that the GOP won't have $40 million in outsider funds spent to hold onto State Senate seats. The Kochs and Roves have to focus on Ohio and Florida now...maybe Colorado and Virginia...maybe Arizona...probably Missouri...Wisconsin just doesn't have the money left.
     
  12. tomwilhelm

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    It's a classic misery loves company thing. Since so many no longer have them, centrist voters envy things like job stability, health benefits, and a retirement plan. And rather than fight/vote to get them back themselves, they vote to take them from those few who still have them.
     
  13. JohnR

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    When guys like Mitt grow up, they get smarter. They no longer assault the outsider directly. They incite one outsider to assault another outsider, then stand on the side and chuckle.
     
  14. That Phat Hat

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    This is probably about the 20th time I mention last place aversion. People will put up with bullshit if the bullshit keeps them from being overtaken by those less fortunate than them.
     
  15. SnakeEyes

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    Oct 7, 2001
    You're trying too hard
     
  16. SnakeEyes

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    Oct 7, 2001
    Yeah and all that national union money, that got mostly held back this recall since it didn't look good after the state senate recalls, they have a chance.
     
  17. JohnR

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    If black people didn't exist, we would need to invent them.
     
  18. SnakeEyes

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    Oct 7, 2001
    Recount or not it doesnt matter. Senate is not in session and won't be again until after Nov elections when all members are up and redistricting has made the state considerably more favorable to the GOP
     
  19. SnakeEyes

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    Oct 7, 2001
    Your Marxist rhetoric toward business is a cliche.
     
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  20. JohnR

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    Marxist sounds one step worse than socialist, Doc. You're pretty far out there.
     
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  21. Dr. Wankler

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    It took you two responses to the same post to come up with this? You must be truly brilliant.

    And if I was a real Marxist, I would be total behind Paul Ryan's budget proposal. If I was a true Marxist, I would see it as unleashing the full capacity of capitalism, thereby generating wealth beyond the current capacity. If I were a real Marxist, I would believe that after such wealth was generated, THEN there would revolution of the dispossessed proletariat (for dispossessing the middle and working classes is what supply side economics is all about). For if I was a real Marxist, I would know that their is no point in socialism until the full capacities of capitalism have been fully exploited. Marx himself would have been astonished programs where carried out in his name in places like Russia, China, and Cuba. Marx himself believed that if you have socialism in poor nations, you would only socialize poverty. Unlike Marx and Paul Ryan, however, I'm not a materialist.

    But I am an American, and as such I believe that we're all in this together. The Republican party as well as the post-Clinton democrats have forgotten this. That's because in the modern political landscape, both parties true constituency is money, not people. Which is why people with money have not suffered AT ALL from the most recent collapse, and they're not likely to be called upon to share the suffering during the next collapse either.
     
  22. tomwilhelm

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    At least you're honest that you don't care that the GOP isn't even pretending to care about democracy.
     
  23. That Phat Hat

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    I think "economic freedom" is trying too hard. Don't you laugh at yourself when you use euphemisms like that?
     
  24. SnakeEyes

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    Oct 7, 2001
    if redistricting practices is being used as part criteria to judge caring about democracy then i agree... both parties pretend.

    Although, as one that favors the republic that our country is, I care less about "democracy".
     
  25. JohnR

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    Heritage's Index of Economic Freedom -

    http://www.heritage.org/index/default

    Pretty much everybody on that top list has nationalized medicine, by the way ... which doesn't stop the American Right from thundering that nationalized medicine is a Marxist-Leninist plot.
     

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