FSU Politics/Current Events V

Discussion in 'Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, & the former Soviet Repu' started by Real Corona, Mar 7, 2011.

  1. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    It will never be profitable. If he wanted to, he could build a casino in Sochi right now. He doesn't need Crimea for that.
     
  2. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
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    Crimea was all about bravado and neo-imperialism.
     
  3. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
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    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
  4. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
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    I'm just an amateur but these guys look a lot more purposeful and well trained than the last group of soldiers Ukraine sent in



    Just my view, but it seemed like the first group were just local conscripts and these guys seem more like special forces.
     
  5. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
  6. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
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    This guy is an expert in eastern europe and holocaust, speaks 11 languages. He's researched troves of info from countries in Europe. If he said as much, it must have some merit I feel like, don't you think? Or is he completely off base?
     
  7. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
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  8. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    In academic circles there are people who have pet theories and tie everything to those theories. I remember taking a class where we got a guest lecture about how everything in the 17th century could be viewed from a millianrian perspective.......because they guy's central research was regarding millianarian movements. I'm sure he's a nice guy and knows all about eastern Europe, but there's just no logic to the claim that Europe either needs Ukraine or that Ukraine is central to European issues. There have probably been 40 "crises" in the last 200 years of European history. This is the first that I can remember where Ukraine was in any way central to it.
     
  9. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
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    He is right that Ukraine represents a major strategy shift by Russia to begin to divide and conquer Ukraine and the rest of Europe by various means.
     
  10. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
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    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
  11. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

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  12. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I don't necessarily disagree with that analysis, but that's really a regional issue. Besides, all these clever plans will work only for so long as the price of oil stays high.
     
  13. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
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    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
  14. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
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    Who knows. The one thing we all know is that Russia's government talks out it's ass all the time.

    They want referendums in Ukraine, to join a country that doesn't allow referendums. They want to protect minority language rights in Ukraine, when there are no protections for minorities in Russia. It would be completely up to form for them to label the Kiev government anti semitic Nazis while harassing local Jews, because they simply say and do this shit all the time.
     
  15. Dmitriy

    Dmitriy Member

    Oct 21, 2004
    Chicago
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    Tatar, Bashkir, Chechen, Kalmyk, etc. languages are all protected by law. Russian is a historic language of Ukraine and played an important role in Ukraine's history.
     
  16. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

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    #1616 FootyFan365, Apr 25, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2014
    Of course it played an important role, Russia as we know it was invented in Kyiv lol. It is your Jerusalem, show it proper respect. Bow down, don't spit on it.
     
  17. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
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    Ukraine
    Its funny how I was always told Ukrainians are more antisemitic than Russians. It took this crisis and some deep thinking to realize that its bullshit, it isn't so much because of the Ukrainian people as much as its the Kremlin's doing.

    Jews weren't allowed to live in Russia for the longest time, huge concentrations in Ukraine. The rules and laws for Jews and statements made from the czars etc. conditioned the populace to treat them sub-human. Back then people were so dumb and ignorant, easily influenced by what they were told and each generation got worse and worse until only recently, when people in that part of the world finally became enlightened (kinda).
     
  18. Fedya_Fussball

    Oct 4, 2007
    Las Vegas
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    You're totally off base here as usual about historic languages of YKPAIHA....

    The only important role that Russia has had as continual evidence is the liquidation of anything associated with the YKPAIHIAH identity.

    As soon as it was evident that 20+ years removed from the USSR and Russian influence, moskali cannot live with YKPAIHIAHs going their own way.
     
  19. LokomotivZee

    LokomotivZee Member

    Aug 28, 2009
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    They are a very well trained line unit. Notice there is no panic or massive reaction when the IC uses his sidearm. The soldier next to him takes a few calm steps back to get on line with the IC, and keeps hhis attention and weapon trained on the threat. Gunfire does crazy shit to untrained people. Also of note is that they're wearing some US made equipment. A few pairs of boots, the body armor, some other small stuff, but still, glad we are getting some gear to the good guys.
     
  20. LokomotivZee

    LokomotivZee Member

    Aug 28, 2009
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    Russia would be wise not to touch, or even provoke Poland. That is one of the best militaries I have been exposed to. The Winter War would look like the first Gulf War in comparison to what Poland would do to the clown college that is Russia's military.
     
  21. Dmitriy

    Dmitriy Member

    Oct 21, 2004
    Chicago
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    CSKA Moskva
    #1621 Dmitriy, Apr 25, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2014
    Exactly, Russians' don't want to see red-black fags in Kiev. Only one that's spitting on anything is you, prodatil.
     
  22. Dmitriy

    Dmitriy Member

    Oct 21, 2004
    Chicago
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    CSKA Moskva
    Yes they were, it's just that they had to go through a screening process of sorts and only well educated and Russian speaking Jews were allowed to settle. The reasoning for allowing limited Jewish settlement was because Russian authorities felt that ethnic Russians were too trusting and would be financially exploited.
     
  23. Dmitriy

    Dmitriy Member

    Oct 21, 2004
    Chicago
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    CSKA Moskva
    lol Loko, can you stop already.
     
  24. LokomotivZee

    LokomotivZee Member

    Aug 28, 2009
    KC
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    Stop what?
     
  25. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Come on, dude, did you exclude the 3 wars in Ukraine in 1918 - 1921:

    1. Poland vs. ZUNR
    2. Poland vs. UNR
    3. Poland vs. Red Army

    Barbarossa's main target was also Ukraine. What area did you think Germans called Lebensraum?

    Now, I do agree that Ukraine was not a center to European politics in the past. But it is certainly today. Russia is a huge headache to the entire Europe (or, even, the world) and Ukraine may serve as a bulwark, a buffer state to block Russian ambitions. Europeans do get that.
     

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