Mes que un sporting project - The Other Teams Thread

Honestly, if you're going to compare Ronaldo and Suarez on who had the better season INDIVIDUALLY, it is hands down Ronaldo. You don't score 14 goals in the UCL and 4 goals against sweden for nothing. Add to the fact that suarez only has 1 assist to his name up against the big boys of the BPL (Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal).

 

How the ******** can you compare Suarez to a man who has scored 45 goals and had 13 assists in just 41 appearances this season.

 

Since u were manipulating stats ill just state the stats based on league matches. You can say that if you are a class striker playing for Liverpool then the team tactics will be orientated towards you. In fact Suarez just narrowly has a higher percentage of goals for Liverpool in EPL than CR7 does in La Liga for Real Madrid. (Suarez 30 goals of the teams 96 goals. 31% goal contribution to team) (Ronaldo 28 goals of the teams 94 goals. 30% goal contribution to the team). So no Suarez hasn't outperformed Ronaldo in the league. And no Suarez hasn't been way more instrumental in liverpool's success compared to Cr7 you delusional child. Despite the difference in quality between the two teams Suarez has had almost the same amount of contribution to the team as Cr7 has for Real Madrid.

 

The comparison that "counts" is the calendar year imo since that is the timeframe for the WPOTY and other whack ass awards so to really, really make the comparison "fair" you would include all competitions and penalties from the first of January on, thank you and good night

 

I'm not begrudging the man, but he has had literally no pressure on him, playing once a week or less in what is a complete joke of a league atm.

 

Ok let me put you down like the rabid dog you are:

Suarez's goals against Chelsea (2nd), Man City (3rd), Arsenal (4th) and Everton (5th)= 2

Ronaldo's goals against Barcelona (3rd), Atletico (1st), Athletic (4th) and Sevilla (5th) = 6 (add 3 more for the goals he scored against Atletico in the CdR as well)

 

Ok so in the Champions League Ronaldo is a beast. Unfortunately Suarez is not playing in the champions league. Again so I look at league stats and overall play to compare. Ronaldo has not played to his usual standard in the league and I feel Suarez has cached up.

Some will say Ronaldo, some will say Suarez and some will still say ********ing Messi. The point is that I don't think it's that crazy to suggest that Suarez has had a better season. He is unplayable this season.

Guys Suarez doesn't take penalties!!! He has scored way more goals than Ronaldo in open play. Holy shit imagine if he took Liverpool's penalties? He would have 42 bloody goals! Suarez is a ********ing machine right now.

Any way you look at it....
Goals....Assists...Defending...Work rate....Skills....Desire...Competitiveness....shot-to-goal ratio...Suarez is better this season.

 

i think we are on the page here...

 

It's not a fair comparison because you're punishing Ronaldo for his team's greater success given the fact that he qualified for the CL and excelled in it, and you're rewarding Suarez for his team's lack of success in not qualifying for the CL. By only including competitions you consider worthy, you're effectively deleting perhaps the most impressive aspect of Ronaldo's season, which is his recording tying performance in the CL.

 

The even bigger myth is that Barcelona chose Ronaldinho over Beckham. What many dont know is that Beckham was Laporta's presidential promise.

 

since you can't get stats on Suarez now you resort to mere assumptions and statements. Btw yes i agree Suarez has been fantastic this season but your making it seem like Suarez has been way way better than Ronaldo this season which is not true at all. Suarez doesn't perform in big games.

 

are you actually retarded? "If suarez took penalties he would have 42 bloody goals" Who is to say that he would of scored the penalties? The more penalties you score, the more goalkeepers study you and the more pressure you have. Also that logic in itself fails. Guys I don't play in the BPL!!! Holy crap! imagine if i played in the bpl???? I would have bloody 10000000 goals!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It was mentioned to highlight the fact that Ronaldo only manages to get close to Suarez by virtue of his penalty kicks.

 

I shit talk everyone. 4x4 knows that benzo is here to stay and bags bitvhes and goals ; )

 

Fair comparison? Christ, this isn't about being fair for you. If it was you would not have excluded the domestic cups, which would put Ronaldo on top. Both have participated in domestic cups, so why not include them? Well that's because the statistical outcome does not support your talking point. Especially since Suarez participated in two domestic league cups versus Ronaldo's single one, and yet Ronaldo still came on top. If it would have been reverse you would have been banging on about this.

You can not punish Ronaldo for his team's greater success (qualifying for the European competition and individually excelling in it), and you can not reward Suarez for his team's lack of success in not qualifying for any European competition.

And lastly, when individual performance trophies are being awarded; do you think they look at the entire picture(league, domestic cups and European cups) or just the one(league)? The answer is quite clear.

 

I wouldn't include it, mainly bc its a popularity contest and there's no clear set of criteria for being picked. Granted Ronaldo won but IMO in the past 4 or 5 years my personal picks would have included players not named Ronaldo or Messi. In the midfield xavi and iniesta for example are couple players who like them or not arguably should have won the award at some time.

 

Suarez wins easily.

 

Ya take Suarez go for it. Ronaldo shits on him and we all know it.

 

A penalty is not an automatic goal. There must be a reason why Suarez is not the designated penalty taker. So I sincerely doubt he would score 100% of penalties.

 

Well, the reason he isn't Liverpool's penalty taker is because they have this other guy called Steven Gerrard.

 

but CR would be ask to take over for Gerrard...why can't Suarez?

Gerrard would give it to CR easily but doesn't with Suarez.

 

Gerrard has been their penalty taker for a long time, he's good at them and he's the club captain and a club legend. It's not really that hard to figure it out. If Ronaldo were to move to Liverpool, he wouldn't be asked by anyone to take over from Gerrard, because it's Liverpool and it's Steven Gerrard. Did I mention that we are talking about Liverpool and Steven Gerrard?