2013-2014 DFB Pokal (German Cup) Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Borussia Dortmund' started by footyfan1, Jun 16, 2013.

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How Far Borussia Dortmund Go In The 2013-2014 DFB Pokal (German Cup)?

Poll closed Dec 16, 2013.
  1. Borussia Dortmund Will Win The 2014 German Cup Final

    8 vote(s)
    50.0%
  2. Borussia Dortmund Will Lose The Cup Final

    2 vote(s)
    12.5%
  3. Borussia Dortmund Will Lose In The Semi-Finals

    3 vote(s)
    18.8%
  4. Borussa Dortmund Will Lose In The Quarter-Finals

    2 vote(s)
    12.5%
  5. Borussia Dortmund Will Lose In The Second Round

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Borussia Dortmund Will Be Upset At SV Wihelmshaven

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. I Don't Know

    1 vote(s)
    6.3%
  1. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    lol @ spain is best ever
     
  2. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Would you like an argument with that scoffing?
     
  3. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Brazil from 58-70. They won nearly everything. If you saw them play, and not simply on video, you could make an easy comparison.
     
  4. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #329 Cris 09, Apr 19, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2014
    "Best ever" is impossible to define.... besides, it sounds too much like a 13 year old teenager talking about BFF's and shit. Let's stay away from absolutes, ok?
     
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  5. heynckes' hanging leftnut

    Feb 27, 2013
    Check argentina and brazil for continental championships and world cups


    Loewenboy, i think there is a good argument for spain and barcelona but i can't go to absolutes.
     
  6. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Agree. There is a case with many variables and as Cris pointed out very hard to prove.
     
  7. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It's not difficult to make an argument for Spain as the best ever though... Three consecutive international titles with their record and dominance? Unrivaled. Obviously there is a structural purpose when dealing with absolutes in the context of this particular argument. Let's not be pedantic about this. The nature of sports is to rank so this is just a natural byproduct of that. It's normal for it to be part of discourse.
     
  8. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    But when you see them play most of those matches, especially in 2010...there was a lot of last minute luck on the bounce on some of those 1-0 results they grinded away. Overall results is not the only thin, in my opinion, that would make you the best ever, ever, ever...
     
  9. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    That's a weak argument. It's a difficult tournament. Luck often plays a factor. Italy 2006 had it. Brazil 2002 had it. It doesn't really matter as in the context of that entire run and matches between tournaments Spain broke multiple records so it's difficult to write them off because they got last minute winners. If anything you could also look at it as hunger and fighting til forcing errors and getting late goals, something they will historically be regarded for. Especially in modern football which is more defensive and harder to get results. Teams often parked the bus against Spain and Barcelona to ridiculous lengths so yea, getting one goal here, two goals there. Not really telling of anything regarding achievements because they still managed to win in the end.
     
  10. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I just find it hard to call the "best ever" a team that had to grind out so many results the way they did. Not a weak argument for me. Look, I'm not saying they were shit - just that best ever is too much of an absolute in my view. And as weak as you believe my argument to be, it is still there and enough for a footy fan like me to say I am not ready to grant them such a title as "the bestest national team eva".

    The titles were totally deserved but do not produce the whole picture. I mean, Greece was never the best ever when they won the Euro, were they?
     
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  11. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    ..and yet it is more than enough to call them the best ever.:rolleyes:

    ROFLMMFAO.
     
  12. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    But they didn't grind out results so many times as you imply at all. The World Cup is a small sample size of A LOT of matches and even in that World Cup, they were the most deserving team in the end.

    And why would you even compare Greece, a team that is a one-off to Spain whose 2007 - 2012 run was RECORD SMASHING and dominating? That's not up to debate. How else would you define dominating? They won an incredible percentage of their matches over that period, competitive and non, won all titles they competed for (with exception of that Confed Cup), and have an incredible goals scored to goals conceived record that's unmatched by a national team. That's why the argument. I already mentioned the idea of ranking in discourse and that's done to create a context for conversation.

    Either way, it doesn't matter. Spain being one of the five best national sides ever still creates the same context for the Xavi remark.
     
  13. heynckes' hanging leftnut

    Feb 27, 2013
    #338 heynckes' hanging leftnut, Apr 19, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2014
    Ok so the question is - were there other national teams that didn't do the same thing over a similar number of matches (which for me is the duration of the last world cup up to the semis)? If they didn't, did they win as many matches or break a record that spain did?

    My way of looking at is it - which team stood out the most during their time?
    I haven't seen them all so I can't say who did that the best and is the best team on this whole planet (above sea-level).
     
  14. FaceLess

    FaceLess Red Card

    Mar 19, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Brazil's 3 WC Finals in 8 years sticks out to me.
     
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  15. chewz

    chewz Member+

    Sep 13, 2012
    Toronto
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    Considering the world cup is every four years, that is quite the achievement.
     
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  16. Vlad S.

    Vlad S. Member+

    May 6, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yup. Three World Cup wins in four attempts. Especially that peak in 1970. Somehow, with the World Football becoming more and more Euro-centric, we count Euro championship wins as near-WC wins. I'd say, let's wait until Qatar 2022 and see if Spain hits triple or quadruple by then, and make a best-ever statement.
     
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  17. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    omg. we are still arguing about this...

    Messi is the best player walked on this earth. discuses.
     
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  18. swit0539

    swit0539 Member+

    Aug 13, 2008
    Sydney
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund

    Did Spain ever play Argentina or Brazil in this time period? Does it even matter that they didn't?
    They were completely outclassed by Brazil when they played at the last Confed Cup (granted it is outside of the 2007-2012 run)
     
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  19. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Lahmfan
    Lahmfan, most annoying poster ever...discuss.

    :ninja:
     
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  20. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    OMG! YOU ARE LIKE SO FUNNY!
     
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  21. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Now I see where the canned response to my post came from. :ROFLMAO:
     
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  22. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #347 Cris 09, Apr 20, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2014
    OMG, LIKE, SO ARE YOU....!!!! :rolleyes:

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  23. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I know.. but coming from you it means absolutely nothing
    Kids these days I tell ya
     
  24. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Quite possible.
     
  25. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Right, now run along while the adults talk about footy.

    Ok? thanks.
     

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