2014 MLS Referee Assignments and Discussion [Rs]

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  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    #901 MassachusettsRef, Apr 19, 2014
    The back? No. It definitely hit him in the arm, which was up around his chest/head. Well done by Stoica to give the 'wait and see'--you could see him instinctively put the whistle to his mouth when it happened.
     
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  2. Bradley Smith

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    Jul 29, 2013
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    #902 Bradley Smith, Apr 19, 2014
    It looked like in the discussion afterwards he was telling the Houston players that he had been warned and/or encouraged to speed up several times (you can see Villarral do the count-up gesture with his fingers). But I agree. I don't think he remembered Sarkodie was on a caution initially.
     
  3. bwidell

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    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #903 bwidell, Apr 19, 2014
    Pretty sure it didn't hit the arm that was up, it appeared to hit his back near where the other arm was. But as I said, reserving judgment until I can see a screencap or gif.
     
  4. colman1860

    colman1860 Member

    Nov 13, 2012
    London, England
    #904 colman1860, Apr 19, 2014
    Where are you guys seeing the Sarcodie send off? It doesn't seem to be on MatchCenter yet
     
  5. ManiacalClown

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    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #905 ManiacalClown, Apr 19, 2014
    Interesting day so far, ain't it?
     
  6. bwidell

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    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
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    New England Revolution
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    #906 bwidell, Apr 19, 2014
    Went back and looked at the replay on slomo, you're right, it didn't hit his back. It hit him on the side of his body/armpit area. I don't know, seems like not a surefire call to me.

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  7. GlennAA11

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    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    #907 GlennAA11, Apr 19, 2014
    Even if Alston did handle it I think it was more of an instinctive thing with the ball coming at his face at 100 miles an hour.
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
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    #908 MassachusettsRef, Apr 19, 2014
    We can wait for that replay. But given the amount of dissent we see in the league when a call is correct, I'd posit that no MLS player would go as quietly as this one did if he got sent off for stopping a goal with his back.
     
  9. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
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    #909 MassachusettsRef, Apr 19, 2014
    Per that screen grab above... his head is turned and his arm is out. His arm isn't in front of his head for protection.

    Instinctive or not (and there likely is a natural instinct that kicks in here), that has to be deliberate handling in a professional match. He's airborne with his leg fully extended and his arm out. He tried to block the ball and stop a goal by any means necessary. And he succeeded. Unluckily for him, he did it with his arm.
     
  10. Scrabbleship

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    #910 Scrabbleship, Apr 19, 2014
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  11. bwidell

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    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    #911 bwidell, Apr 19, 2014
    Looks like armpit when you watch the video to me. Is that illegal? Oh well, at least justice was served with the penalty save.
     
  12. Scrabbleship

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    #912 Scrabbleship, Apr 19, 2014
    Sorry for the delay. Here you go: http://gfycat.com/HeftyGargantuanCobra
     
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  13. colman1860

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    Nov 13, 2012
    London, England
    #913 colman1860, Apr 19, 2014
  14. colman1860

    colman1860 Member

    Nov 13, 2012
    London, England
    #914 colman1860, Apr 19, 2014
    Justice was served? Alston prevented a certain winning goal in added time by handling on his own goal line, and justice is served because the penalty is saved?
     
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  15. Scrabbleship

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    #915 Scrabbleship, Apr 19, 2014
    GIF in real time and slow-mo for you: http://gfycat.com/VibrantCrispBoto
     
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  16. GlennAA11

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    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    #916 GlennAA11, Apr 19, 2014
    I guess I'd argue that the reason his head is turned and his arm is out is that he flinches and automatically turns his head away. If you watch the video he's getting up after the first block and the ball is fired from close range.
     
  17. bwidell

    bwidell Member+

    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #917 bwidell, Apr 19, 2014
    I said that because to me it appears the ball went under his arm and hit him square in the armpit/side of the body.
     
  18. Erocker

    Erocker Member

    Apr 2, 2012
    Club:
    CD Jalapa
    #918 Erocker, Apr 19, 2014
    I'm guessing you're a Revs fan because that's a pretty easy DOGSO-H. I thought the more interesting talking point from the match was the overall handling (or mishandling) of Quincy Amarikwa. 1st card was for diving which I thought could've been a pen, but at worst a no call, and def not a card for diving http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...vs-new-england-revolution/details/video/14107

    2nd was for this: http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...vs-new-england-revolution/details/video/14129

    I also thought Amarikwa was getting the short hand of the stick in general out there as far as what the defenders were allowed to do to him. He scored the 1st goal of the game and was the most dangerous player on the field for most of the match and the tackle he was sent off for seemed to be out of frustration for what was being allowed towards him.
     
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  19. bwidell

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    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
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    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #919 bwidell, Apr 19, 2014
    I am a Revs fan, yes, but to me that part of the body will always be armpit to me no matter the team. Shrug.
     
  20. colman1860

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    Nov 13, 2012
    London, England
    #920 colman1860, Apr 19, 2014
    But if a soccer ball hits me in the armpit, it's definitely touching part of my arm as well. So if I've made myself bigger for that to happen (as Alston did here), then that's handling.
     
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  21. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    #921 MassachusettsRef, Apr 19, 2014
    Without stipulating you're right... how does a ball with a 28" circumference strike the armpit of a person without touching part of his arm?
     
  22. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    #922 MassachusettsRef, Apr 19, 2014
    I've got no problem with either card. I think he's looking for that penalty all day and we'll be living in a better world if more plays like that drew yellow cards. As for the tackle, he's lucky he didn't connect with the first leg.

    That said, Amarikwa's growing frustration was obvious throughout the game. But it also looked like he couldn't be reasoned with (there was a simple throw-in decision by Quisenberry that only fueled the fire and he wouldn't accept the explanation). Analyzing how to handle Amarikwa might be an interesting case study. But, to do it, I think you'd need a lot of tape focused exclusively on him. It's hard to give a cursory assessment of what--if anything--could have been done better.
     
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  23. bwidell

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    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #923 bwidell, Apr 19, 2014
    If the arm is up, as Alston's was, there's absolutely room for a ball to hit that part of the body without touching the arm.

    I can see this discussion is just going to go in circles, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
     
  24. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    #924 MetroFever, Apr 19, 2014
    Overall, I thought Stoica was good, but I would have just "played on" on that one as well. Seems to be that the rare times we see a caution for simulation there is some doubt on the play, while many others that are obvious go unpunished.

    On the second caution to Amarikwa, it seems like he looks back towards the 4th official before he pulls out the card.

    Also, how often do you see a caution for time wasting in the 1st half of stoppage time? He had verbally warned NE's Barnes on a throw-in in a 1-1 game in the 47th minute to get going. Seconds later, he stops the game and shows the yellow card (it's the only caution that's not shown on mlssoccer.com).
     
  25. sjquakes08

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    Jun 16, 2007
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    United States
    #925 sjquakes08, Apr 19, 2014
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