I think that's just the way these two clubs are known outside of the English-speaking world. Glasgow Rangers and Celtic Glasgow are very commonly used (outside of Britain). There are other examples (Arsenal London, Chelsea London the two most infamous ones).
Honesty It is popularly used in Thailand so I'm just accustomed to the names without getting correct. Lanman, anyway do you know which club is the earliest English and Scottish Top Flight winner with most games left in the rest of season ?
I think the earliest the Scottish League was won was 1929. For England it could have been the 99/00 season, but I'm not certain.
Regarding Celtic and Rangers, I have an English book which uses Glasgow Celtic and Glasgow Rangers: "The PFA Premier & Football League Players' Records 1946 to 2005" by Barry J. Hugman. Beat this. I know it's still not correct but if a credible English publication uses these names then Dearman's blogspot can be excused for using them, too.
I finally found that Ferencvaros won consecutive games in Hungarian First-Tier at 28 games (Thanks for Szovkap xtratime.org) so that means Benfica is still the only one to hold European record.
OK, let me notify about the progression in research methodology http://xtrahistory.blogspot.com/2013/01/Rating-Methodology.html. I add Domestic Point Table in the system after standardization of the competition by country and era. However, This is the only first draft by general assessment and need to get into deeper info and also make statistical analysis in which I have clarified the method (Set level of top teams in the seasonal league bases on performance in continental competition and then fin the standard of deviation of teams’ total point in each league season to properly descend level of the rest teams in the league. DL = Domestic League, DC = Domestic Cup Index of Competition Classification (available in http://xtravictory.blogspot.com/2013/02/League-Standard.html) Class A : England (30s, 2nd 70s – 2nd 80s, 2000s onwards) Italy (1st 50s, 60s to 1st 70s, 80s, 90s) Germany (70s, 80s, 90s) Spain (2nd half 1950s to 1st 60s, 2000s onwards) Brazil (60s) Argentina (40s, 1st 70s) Soviet (80s) Class B : England (10s, 20s, 2nd 50s to 1st 70s, 90s) Italy (30s, 2nd 50s, 2nd 70s, 2000s) Germany (60s, 2000s on wards) Spain (1st 50s, 2nd 60s, 80s to 90s) Netherlands (1st 70s) Soviet (2nd 50s to 70s) Yugoslavia (50s to 1992) Austria (1st 30s) Hungary (1st 50s) Czechoslovakia (30s, 60s) France (1st 90s) Brazil (40s, 50s, 70s to 1st 80s) Argentina (2nd 30s, 50s to 60s, 2nd 70s to 1st 80s) Class C : Netherlands (60s, 2nd 70s onwards) France (50s to 80s, 2nd 80s onwards Germany (30s, 50s) Scotland (20s) Sweden (80s) Belgium (2nd 70s) Austria (50s) Switzerland (1st 50s) Hungary (20s, 30s, 2nd 50s) Czechoslovakia (50s, 70s to 80s) Poland (70s) Romania (2nd 80s) Greece (2000s) Turkey (2nd 90s to 1st 2000s) Russia (2000s) Argentina (1st 30s, 2nd 80s onwards) Brazil (2nd 30s, , 2nd 80s onwards) Chile (1st 70s) Colombia (1st 50s) Peru (1st 50s, 1st 70s) Mexico (90s to 1st 2000s) Class D : Austria (2nd 20s, 60s onwards) Scotland (10s, 30s onwards) Sweden (70s, 90s onwards) Denmark (2nd 90s onwards) Belgium (20s to 30s, 50s to 1st 70s, 1st 80s onwards) Switzerland (30s to 40s, 2nd 50s onwards) Hungary (10s, 60s to 80s) Bulgaria (Professional Era) Romania (50s to 1st 80s, 90s on wards) Poland (30s, 50s to 60s, 80s onwards) Serbia (since establishment) Croatia (since establishment) Russia (90s, 2010 onwards) Ukraine (since establishment) Greece (60s to 90s, 2010 onwards) Uruguay (Professional Era) Chile (2nd 30s to 60s, 2nd 70s onwards) Colombia (2nd 80s onwards) Ecuador (90s onwards) Peru (2nd 50s to 60s, 2nd 70s to 1st 80s) Paraguay (Professional Era) Japan (Professional Era) Saudi Arabia (Professional Era) Qatar (2000s onwards) USA (MSL era)
Interesting list, mate. In the case of Peru, i'd downgrade 1st-60s and 1st-80s. Instead, i'd upgrade 2nd-30s and 2nd-40s
I understand amateur football is not always lower standard than professional but why do you think the 2nd 1930s should be highly rated in comparison to professional era in your mention ? Now I just primary specify performance of Peruvian teams in 1st 80s Copa Libertadores Cup. 1980 : Sporting Cristal (15th) Atletico Chalaco (19th) 1981 : No Peruvian Team Participate 1982 : Melgar (8th) Deportivo Municipal (20th (worst place) 1983 : Universitario (14th) Alianza Lima (17th) 1984 : Sporting Cristal (9th) I think the 1982 Melgar and the 1984 Sporting Cristal was a good representative enough as a top team in the league. I'll back to continue analysis later.
In Peru there are 3 golden eras: the 70s , the 50s and 30s. I downgrade 1st-60s and 1st-80s, since the peruvian stars were playing abroad and the local clubs couldn't reach SF in Copa Libertadores. Instead, the 2nd-30s matched with the best results for our NT in amateur era and we had strong clubs (Alianza touring Chile at 1935, Sport Boys beating uruguayan clubs at home, also Universitario beat Independiente) In the 2nd-40s, also good results (Universitario beat Racing, Sucre beat Boca Jrs, Chalaco tie with Sao Paulo, Municipal in pre-Libertadores). In 1949, El Dorado signed an amount of peruvian players that could formed easily 3 teams!!! (considering all positions)
Whom do you expect to be ranked lower than Riquelme ? from http://xtraimmortal.blogspot.com/2013/07/Offensive-Midfielder.html Actually I can't confirm he is inferior to Rui Costa, Cesar Cueto, etc as they are considered in the equal rating but at least it should be fair to rate Pirlo who clearly achieved a lot higher legend status in international level, above him. I just see Riquelme has more flaws than others. He had three failure seasons (2002 - 2003 Barcelona, 2006 - 2007 Villareal-Boca, 2007 - 2008 Boca (Injury). He won only 51 caps is surely lower than consistency standard of modern era players (unlucky to have Veron in the same era and Maradona's stubborn. For his prolific Copa Libertadores Cup finalists, I surely give credit to him but just in minor level since the competition standard was tend down and far from European standard. In contrary, I cannot refuse his skills is in top-class and was one of the most skillful AMs in the 2000s so this is a consequent for me to rate him at top 20 most skillful pure AMs ever (If consider some trerquartistas as AM, he would be among top 25) http://xtraimmortal.blogspot.com/2013/04/Total-Skill.html But performance is not always coincide with skill level, Riquelme's peak was too short.
what about his performance in argentina shirt: 1) almost brought argentina to semifinal in 2006 world cup till been subbed in 2nd half when argentina still lead by 0-1 vs germany as the host, that goal been assisted by him, several minutes after that germany did not have to worry about marking one of the most dangerous playmaker & then they scored, been the world cup top assister even played till quarterfinal only & everybody talk about zidane & pirlo as the best playmaker 2) almost single handily won the 2007 copa america, been the attacking midfielder, been the top scorer for argentina & second top scorer in the competition, been the best argentina player in the final, > messi + tevez + zanetti + ayala + crespo in the whole competition 3) won the 1997 world cup u-20 as one of the most important argentina player 4) won the 2008 olympic football gold medal as one of the most important argentina player in club success: 1) won best boca player in all time, voted by boca fan 2) won 1 intercontinental cup: 2000 (gave a nightmare to the combination of makelele (many regard as one of the best dm) + helguera + geremi) 3) won 3 copa libertadores: 2000, 2001, 2007 (single handily won it with russo as a coach) 4) won 5 primera división: 1998, 1999, 2000, 2008 (with ischia as a coach), 2011 (with falcioni as a coach) 5) won 1 recopa sudamericana: 2008 (with ischia as a coach) 6) won 1 copa argentina: 2012 (with falcioni as a coach) 7) won 1 south american footballer of the year: 2001 8) won 1 copa libertadores most valuable player: 2007 (single handily won it with russo as a coach) 9) won 4 argentine footballer of the year: 2000, 2001, 2008 (with ischia as a coach), 2011 (with falcioni as a coach) 10) won 1 best argentine midfielder by Olé: 2012 (with falcioni as a coach) 11) won 1 best local Argentine player by Olé: 2012 (with falcioni as a coach) 12) boca top scorer in copa libertadores (despite as a playmaker)
Yes I agree with that many confused between skillset (raw talent) with real achievement (delivery in actual pitch and longevity) In skillset Riquelme can beat Rui Costa in all dimensions no doubt, but Rui was just too consistent at his level
Aren't you mssing Portugal from that list? I would also consider Scotland as above Class D at certain points. They were in the top 6 UEFA Coefficients throughout the 60s up to 1974, consistantly ranked higher than Czechoslovakia who you have as Class B at that time. You could also make a case that they were Class C for much of the 80s.
so you have not watched them playing? if you did you surely know what I meant. Raw talent Riquleme is like 8.75-9/10 , but he only had 3 peak seasons at 8.5 to 8.75, the rest of the seaons was like randomly 7.5 (Barca) to 9 (Boca) Raw talent Rui Costa is like 8.25-8,5/10, but he did deliver in 10 seasons at exact 8 to 8.5/10
Argentina 50s to 60s should be Class A. Uruguayan league has produced nine Libertadores winners, can't possibly be Class D (in same rank with Bulgaria, Greece and others). They should be in certain decades as at least Class B.
Yeah, you're right. Portugal is missing. Maybe, Scotland for 2nd-60s to 1st-70s? I'm sure you can make a good case for whatever era for them. btw, i don't put in the A-class: * Italy 1st-70s * URSS 80s * England 2nd-80s Instead, i think should be A-class: * Germany 2010s * Spain 90s
Agree on this. I would say England was Class A throughout the 70s (and possibly even 2nd 60s) - they won 4 successive Fairs/UEFA Cups from 70-73 (and the last two of the 60s) and the Cup Winners Cup 70 & 71. The league was also extremely competetive at the time.
from my point of view, the seasons he did not perform up to his normal standard was: 2002 at barca (played few & out of position, van gaal didn't like him even before he play for barca) 2008 at villarreal (played few cause there was a tense situation between him and manager manuel pellegrini) 2011 at boca (played few cause of injury) which mean there was still another 15 seasons he had played up to his normal standard mind you, 15 seasons was not a short time, 15 seasons means consistency is there sorry, villareal was not only his peak seasons you underrated his quality & achievement at boca too much whenever boca's riquelme face any european team, there was not much difference in quality because of him