I won't argue that, but that doesn't make your earlier statement accurate. At best it's very misleading. In any event, the way England's lower leagues play has a lot more to do with coaching and officiating than the ancestral roots of the sport.
It's only a bit over 100 years. Not that 'ancestral.' And of course it has to do with coaching, but those guys are old school. Association football only adopted variegated and modern tactics about 45 years ago. Watch a game from the 1958 world cup (yes, some full games are available to download) and you'll see. They don't combine, they just punt, run, push, and kick to score. The influence of the old school is still there, in many places (including Argentina and Italy). But where they survive with most power is in England. And in the US system, due to the heavy influence of English and Scottish coaches. There's a reason why those two countries, who played the first international soccer match, haven't amounted to much in the last 30 years. Tactically, except for her top clubs that usually hire foreign managers , England has been left behind.
PSV connection? Is that legit or just because his former teammate Maher is there? It'd be a reunion. Anyways Ligue 1 France would be a good move too. His reputation in England is ruined.
Didn't argue this. But claiming it's due to rugby is where your argument falls apart. In any event, the real point was rules for a primitive form of football have been around for longer than rules for a primitive form of rugby -- if anything rugby is an offshoot of football. Are they intertwined? Yes. Is there give and take from each to the other, yes, and is it a chicken or egg type scenario especially in terms of the rules of the respective modern games, yes definitely. But you stated somewhat matter of factly that one definitively came from the other. Which isn't true. Whatever, this isn't relevant. No need for further digression, agree to disagree overall. Except England managers having trouble adapting to the modern game, that part I generally agree with.
Here's what I think.... Jozy is done in England (I know, big surprise), but there may actually be a coach or two (maybe even at a team that is not at the very bottom of the league) that would take a chance on him if everyone else (fans, media etc) weren't so negative about him. While he has not been good, no one at Sunderland has been effective and when you have other guys who have been successful elsewhere and done nothing or little at Sunderland, it is easy for a coach with a bit of an ego to believe they could have done a better job training or utilizing Jozy (I don't think this is a stretch at all...most managers have a decent sized ego). Jozy has shown flashes of being a player that no defender can handle one on one. I'd be willing to bet that there is at least one manager that believes they could have gotten more out of Jozy than he produced at Sunderland. That being said, I would be very surprised if any English teams took the chance. the top teams can buy the finished, proven, product, and the lower teams won't take the risk. PSV? Toulouse? I don't know if those are wild rumors started by the agent or real interest, but I could see PSV. Their opinion would be based upon a whole year of scouting and playing against him and they would probably discount the disfunctional Sunderland experience to a large degree. And Toulouse? who knows? maybe. Bottom line: 1. Jozy had a terrible year, but it was a terrible year on a disfunctional, terrible team. Some think it is irrelevant, I don't. 2. Previous to Sunderland, Jozy did well on a team that wasn't disfunctional. Lower level yes, disregard completely? No. 2. you need a manager that believes he is smarter than the management at Sunderland this past year (shouldn't be hard to find). 3. The manager must believe that Jozy, with the right training (his) and placed in the right system(his), can be successful, maybe dominating. Again, I think some managers that fit that description exist, possibly at fairly high levels. I believe Jozy will not be in MLS, but in Europe (not England). Of course I didn't think Bradley was coming back either.
Why are you even posting on these boards? This doesn't concern you at all and as the Portugal scouting thread in N&A has deteriorated and turned nastier by the post, so has your posting. Also, insults aren't tolerated in YA.
First of all, the Heskey comparison was not a quality comparison, it was about the style Altidore is being asked to play. Reading is fundamental. Secondly, at the age of 24, Drogba was a back-up forward for Guingamp with all of three top flight goals to his name. Put that fact in your pipe and smoke it.
Indeed. Having read some of the things going on on the Sunderland boards, I am just glad most BS posters don't speak German
@CDPontaDelgada I bet you're the kind of guy everyone loves to have a beer with. And by everyone, I mean no one.
No, the reason I defend him to a degree is because some folks are drunk on reactionary hyperbole and Chicken Little soothsaying. But that aside, I would love to hear your take on the points I made.
A back up? He played their one year, hit 17 league goals which moved him to Marseille. So no he wasn't a back up. No need to make shit up
Sorry, but he played there 1 1/2 seasons. And when he arrived to Guingamp in January 2002, he did not even dress for a month. Then, he was in the strike rotation for the last 11 games of the season, which he ended at age 24 with... three Ligue 1 goals (and zero international caps) in his career bank. http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/didier-drogba/leistungsdaten/spieler_3924_2001.html Drogba played 808 minutes that half-season, an average of 54 minutes for each of the 15 league matches he was on the roster. If you have any legit quibble at all, perhaps back-up was not the right term; we will go with platoon player instead. This edit changes nada, point stands.
I posted that because at 24 he was their main striker. Scored a lot of goals, won a contract at Marseille and the year after a massive move to Chelsea. Quite why any Drogba comparison has been brought up in a thread about Altidore is bizzare. Jozy is a very average striker going in a totally different direction. Nothing against the guy, hope he finds his level and sticks to it.
The Associated Press ran a new story two days ago where Jürgen Klinsmann expressed his concerned on the lack of playing time for Jozy Altidore at Sunderland. Altidore's Playing Time A Concern For Klinsmann [April 17, 2014 @ 6:50PM EDT] http://bigstory.ap.org/article/altidores-playing-time-concern-klinsmann
I see your gloomy article and raise you an article in which Klinsmann publicly infers that Altidore's issues are not primarily because of Altidore. http://www.mlssoccer.com/worldcup/2...-struggling-jozy-altidore-no-risk-missing-usm
That's interesting. The article ran by mlssocer.com came one day after the Associated Press published this story. Separately, from the article published by mlssocer.com, Jürgen Klinsmann is trying to boost Jozy Altidore's morale with positive statements in a difficult situation he's facing at Sunderland.
Yes, later in his 24th year, he become their regular striker. But nothing I posted was made up, he was also 24 with three top flight goals in his bank and no caps. And I did not bring up the Drogba comparison, but again the comparison brought up was stylistic, not of quality. It is not bizarre, because they do some of the same things. What Altidore may or may not be right now is not my point. My point is that Drogba was of a considerably lower level with far less achieved than Altidore when he was the same age (24 yrs. 6 mos.), which is to imply that whatever Altidore is he is not necessarily a finished product and definitely not buried for life. So yeah. When Drogba was the same age Altidore is right now, he was waaaaaaaay behind where Altidore is and what he has achieved so far. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind.
Altidore on the subs bench again, which makes sense. However, in a move that I find utterly stunning, Gia - the guy who practically won the game for them - is also on the bench. Ummmm huh? I now suspect Poyet simply consults a magic 8 ball at night under the blanket fort with a flashlight.
Jozy's not "done" anywhere. If he goes to a solid European league like France, Holland, Turkey, Portugal etc. and bags a lot of goals, he'll earn interest from EPL or another top league again.
Not that I disagree with you, but I think Poyet's line of thinking here is "we did well last game, let's start out the same way we did then." They didn't change a single player from the starting XI on Wednesday.