Libertarian Fail

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  1. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
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    Why do we need a BLM? The state fish and game boards do an excellent job.
     
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  2. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
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    I'm not exactly the most versed person on the subject but I would assume that there are some Federal owned lands that need to be managed by the Federal government?
     
  3. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    #928 Matt in the Hat, Apr 14, 2014
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    Isn't that for the NPS?

    And by the way, this is exactly why we have a 2nd amendment.
     
  4. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    The BLM is chartered to come up with a plan and strategy for the use of natural resources. They are not a conservation entity.

    Fish and Game wasn't a big power broker over land use until recently, as we've amassed more data that our land use is disrupting local ecology more than previously thought.

    The two entities have completely different interests, and the existence of both will provide a better outcome IMHO.

    National Parks have little to do with BLM. They are set aside specifically for preservation. Aside from land resource management near national parks, the BLM doesn't really consider them at all.
     
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  5. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Maybe not all the FOL are National Parks...

    So we can shot pigs?

    From what I've read, he was making use of FOL and have not paid for its use for several years. He has taken his case to higher courts and the BLM has won at every stage.

     
  6. Matt in the Hat

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    You mean the government sided with itself? Amazing!
     
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  7. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    The Bundy's are asshats. They've been jerks to a lot of people down in Southern Utah/Northern Arizona. There is a lot of bad blood, and they are the only party who seems willing to spill it over the issue.

    I have a solution: give the land back to the Native Americans.
     
  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Mr. Warmth would say he prefers American Indians.
     
  9. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    fanboy fail

    American Indians
     
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  10. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Can you possibly not know how this works? The BLM oversees large tracts of public land, most of it with limited resources, those limitations largely in or controlled by scarcity of water.

    It allows use of that land and those resources for grazing, mining, drilling, ski resorts, etc etc, at absurdly low fees, precisely because it wants to administer the public's land in such a way as to encourage economic activity and jobs, which you may have heard are scarce in the rural west.

    Last I looked public grazing fees were about 1/3 the free market rate.

    No wait, that isn't a free-market rate, is it? Because the availability of cheap public grazing is already pulling the market price down.

    This guy has been grazing his stock on our land-- yours and mine, Matt, the public's-- for years and ignoring the bills.

    He doesn't need grassroots support for his heroic resistance to tyranny, he needs a paddling. :thumbsdown:
     
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  11. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Besides what taosjohn told you, who sets the law of the land? Until that changes, Mr. Bundy and Nevada need to abide by what the constitution says:

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/const/nvconst.html#Art1

     
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  12. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    "Say" and "prefer" are just a little too bland as verbs to describe Mr. Warmth's various detonations on this issue.
     
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  13. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    He also has strongly worded views about red-headed hookers with big tits.
     
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  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    I believe that was to take land from the Indians, not from the Federal government.
     
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  15. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    This mindframe is really hard for me to understand:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/bundy-ranch-constitutional-sheriffs-oath-keepers

     
  16. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    He may be all that, but just because you go to a class with a teacher like that it does not mean you agree with what he said.

    I mean remember the whole Obama with his old Chicago Preacher
     
  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    This guy says his family has been grazing on these lands for 150+ years so it belongs to them.

    Can't wait for that multi-million dollar property tax bill with his name on it.
     
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  18. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Apparently the proximate dispute involves not fees, but rules concerning a protected species where his stock has been grazing.
     
  19. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Well the locals support him and that's their power.
     
  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Source/link? (That's my polite way of calling bullshit. Besides, I wonder how long they'll support him once they realize the logic of his claim is that he owes a shit-ton, to use your favorite phrase, in property taxes.)
     
  21. Matt in the Hat

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    #946 Matt in the Hat, Apr 17, 2014
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ween-cliven-bundy-and-the-federal-government/

    "Clark County Commissioner Tom Collins also supports Bundy. “The U.S. government has perpetrated a bigger fraud on people over those tortoises than Al Capone did selling swampland in Miami."

    As for the property tax, the county may just consider it open land. There is a history of that out west.
     
  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    Yes, yes, yes, you've proven that people love free stuff from the government. Congratulations.
     
  23. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    To prevent paying property taxes? What?
     
  24. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    That's why you are awesome. The government doesn't give away free stuff. Rather it takes and redistributes that which belongs to the people.

    And no, the people are not the government.
     
  25. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    To be a check on the state when they decide to get cunty
     

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