Have You Stopped Laughing Yet? - OTT

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10, Mar 9, 2014.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Arsenal_NGA

    Arsenal_NGA Member+

    Jan 12, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
  2. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Kick and out-run will always be effective in football.
     
  3. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
    Purged by RvN
    Direct play beats pointless possession.
     
  4. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
    Purged by RvN
    Cardiff's 3-0 defeat by Crystal Palace in early April should not be allowed to stand, the Welsh club have said in a five-page letter seen by the BBC.

    The document, sent by club lawyers to the Premier League, alleges Palace boss Tony Pulis knew sporting director Iain Moody was trying to obtain their starting line-up before the game.

    The club say they have proof Moody succeeded. Pulis declined to comment when contacted by the BBC, although Palace previously denied the claims.

    A Cardiff spokesman said on Thursday evening: "A formal complaint has been submitted, concerning what we consider to be a serious breach of Premier League rules.

    "We have asked for an investigation into the matter, which is now in the hands of Premier League officials who will report their findings in due course.

    "At this time it would be inappropriate to discuss any specifics while the investigation is ongoing. The club has every faith in the process and will welcome the views of the Premier League."

    Cont: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27062091




    Any thoughts? It could make the difference and although the 'advantage' of knowing a line-up in advance is debatable but if Cardiff are correct there was a concerted and successful attempt to obtain it which broke several rules. In the scrap at the bottom teams will do anything to gain any advantage and this applies to the claimed cheating and this subsequent complaint.
     
  5. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Particularly against slow, weak and stupid.
     
    benni... repped this.
  6. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    very slow, weak and stupid.

    Would be shocked if Barca keep Bartra. He never looked Barcelona quality.

    of course this is but only of many many problems.

    In retrospect I bet they're now regretting forcing Pep out when he wanted to make changes to prevent these problems from arising before it's too late.

    We always return to the root problem of football these days - traditionalism.
     
    LA. MAN UNITED repped this.
  7. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
    Purged by RvN
    If they want average, weak and stupid they can take their pick from our back line. I still cannot believe he failed so badly at just trying to foul Bale. Just take him out. It's not difficult. Bang. Job done.
     
    zenden repped this.
  8. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    he wasn't on a yellow either iirc so he could have taken one
     
  9. Invincible

    Invincible Member+

    Mar 28, 2004
    Sanctuary
    That's just cheating.
     
    LA. MAN UNITED repped this.
  10. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I understand what you are saying - but then you ought to be able to prove that games 20-38 were significantly harder than games 1-19 such as to explain the difference.

    Instead you and CR7 are invoking an extra streakiness factor to explain the variation.

    But do we need to resort to magic?

    The team fielded in March is significantly weaker than that fielded from August up until the 2nd injury crisis.

    Given all the direct measures we have got I don't think we need to invent extra explanations. Especially seeing the full strength team came through periods of "tough schedule" unscathed.

    Remember a number of people on this board were predicting the collapse to happen as soon as Arsenal played the hard games in the first half of the season, or over Christmas, or over the winter etc.

    So it seems odd to me to claim that the prediction was now right all along on the basis of the schedule

    On the other hand the prediction that such a small squad would never cope with the volume of games has proved correct.

    For example - did Giroud lose confidence, or did he simply play more games than any other striker for a top team?

    Sturridge has played only 30 games to Girouds 45!

    So you can see it is not the order of the games that is the issue, but the fact that he has played 50% more games.

    By far the more interesting question is why do Arsenal have this injury crisis every year.

    Wenger is essentially a dinosaur.
     
    s7kru repped this.
  11. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Jitty. Stop being obtuse. You are not a fool. Only a fool could watch a pattern over several years and be surprised when it unfolded for the umpteenth time.

    Anyway. As things stand, I've got far more on my plate than would allow me to debate Arsenal's form or lack thereof at the business end of a season.
     
  12. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    #1162 nicephoras, Apr 18, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2014
    Have you actually looked at your schedule and your results? I have. In your first 19 games, you dropped 5 points to sides outside of the top 5 (excluding United) - Villa and Soton. Since then, in your last 15 games, you have dropped.............7 points to sides outside of the top 5 (excluding United) - West Brom, Swansea and Stoke. So what exactly has changed? Your consistency against everyone below Everton has stayed almost exactly the same, and you even took a point more against United at home. So what's the difference? Well - 3 games against Liverpool, Chelsea and Everton. You earned 5 points from those home games in the first half (itself not a great return), and then dropped all 9 in the return. Added to your games against United and Citeh (a total of one point) and your answer is staring you in the face - you got 0 points from away games against the top 4 non-Arsenal sides, and managed a -16 goal differential to boot. And it's not just about injuries - you lost to both Manchester sides with both Ramsey and Ozil in the lineup.
    You have been entirely consistent this season - great against everyone except for the top sides. It's about the fixtures and your level of talent, not about injuries making you a different side in the second half.
     
    Futbol_Head and cr7torossi repped this.
  13. Invincible

    Invincible Member+

    Mar 28, 2004
    Sanctuary
    Maybe it's both?
     
  14. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    No, since it is a pattern which repeats every season.
     
  15. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I am entirely willing to concede that if Arsenal's squad was completely healthy the entire season they'd have lost somewhat less disastrously to us and Liverpool - the way they lost to us in the Carling Cup at home, for example.
     
  16. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    What squad is healthy throughout the season though?

    If RvP and Carrick were healthy all season, even with Moyes, United would not be losing to the likes of West Brom and Newcastle at home.
     
  17. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Well, that was kind of my point ;)
     
  18. J'can

    J'can Member+

    Jul 3, 2007
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The answer to the question posed in the thread title is a resounding NO!

    Had to get that in before they start a new OTT!
     
  19. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
    Purged by RvN
  20. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    new title time so calling all the creative folk. submit thread names and vote by quoting or repping the best one
     
  21. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    Atlético are 6 clear with 4 games to go, 5 for Madrid and Barça
     
  22. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    They play Barca away in their last game and have Valencia away next. All to play for still.
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    The question is the reason(s) for the pattern.
     
  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    It was laughable today to see Wenger announcing that Giroud has been overplayed - but this was predicted when Arsenal went into the season with only 1 proper 9

    Utd have 4 - and 2 elite
    Chelsea 3
    Liverpool have 2 elite

    He admitted to over playing Ramsey. He may have wrecked Walcott's career by overplaying him so soon after major injury. He continued to play Ozil even when his physical outputs were declining.

    Amazing he still has the job to be honest
     
  25. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Daehli is wonderful to watch
     
    zenden, jeff070, googoo and 1 other person repped this.

Share This Page