Jozy and the Footycats: Altidore at Sunderland

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  1. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    No, of course not, and of course you are purposely missing the point.

    Poyet was brought in many, many games ago with one assignment; stay up.

    Pulis went to Palace with less time. Felix to Fulham (I'm aliterative as heck this morning!) in a bigger hole.

    One, maybe two of them will stay up. It is very possible S'land will miss by a point or two, which is squarely on Poyet doing stupid things like sitting AJ, the only dude who can score, until the second half of a critical match. Like going to a 3 man marking back when teh 4-4-2 was grinding out some much needed points.

    S'land may miss staying up by the slimmest of margins - and that is down to the coach, like it or not.

    If you miss by 15 points or were never in the hunt, that's life. But if you get out coached by other rats scrambling to get on the life boat - that's just cause you're not as good a coach.
     
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  2. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    If Norwich crash and burn S'land have a chance with 2 wins in 5.
     
  3. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    No, the guy that has managed 10 goals in 45 appearances in the Australian A League. This guy:
     
  4. JozyBradley

    JozyBradley Member

    Sep 1, 2013
    If Wickham can knock a few more goals, I think he will probably force a move to another EPL team...He's entering his final year of his contract and has leverage since Sunderland can not let him enter that final year and risk losing him for nothing...So that increases the amount of exit and makes it more likely to keep a few old players..

    I'm sure Sunderland will try hard to get Jozy off their book, but it will probably be almost impossible to do it, so I can easily see Jozy in a Sunderland shirt playing in the championship next year.

    As for Klinsmann not giving Championship players any chance...well, it all depends on how Jozy does...If Jozy is among the top championship goal-scorer, I'm sure he will continue to be the USMNT number 1 striker..Who would you place above him??.....Johansson?..Is Dutch league really tougher then Championship?
     
  5. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    in less than what two months he's racked up wins against chelsea and evert, two top four teams. both those teams beat his previous team...besides your definition of 'win' is limited. His victory is not being relegated and providing positive momentum, in my book making CP into a top 10 team is 10x harder than keeping manU in the top 4.

    Also your last statement has the ring of a 'person' who has never accomplished much against extremely difficult opposition, you learn to respect the result.
     
  6. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Puyol's mistakes were made very early on: No defensive help, no dmid. He didn't eek out enough draws.
     
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  7. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Sunderland won't lose Wickham for nothing - He will be under 24 when his contract ends.

    Wickham and Altidore would be a productive partnership in the championship - As long Sunderland sorted out their other issues i.e getting the ball to them
     
  8. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    He seemed prepared to give Holden some time.

    And if Jozy is in the Championship next year, lets see how he does vs. the Dutch league.
     
  9. JozyBradley

    JozyBradley Member

    Sep 1, 2013
    #6909 JozyBradley, Apr 17, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
    Football as a whole is moving away from the 2 " big orthodox" striker in a 4-4-2, so it's probably unlikely they will both start together too often...Maybe a rotation...Both of them are a bit too slow and can't really create their own shot at will, so they are too similar to play together....Giaccherini will be under contract, so if they keep him, I see a combo of Jozy/Giaccherini or Wickham/Giaccherini in the championship.

    There's also a small chance Fletcher may stay if other PL team dub him too injury prone...If he can demonstrate fitness by the summer, I think he should have enough interest...I'll say 5M pound for Fletcher...Sunderland will need to raise some cash from somewhere and Johnson/Fletcher is their 2 main asset to get some money.
     
  10. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well wickham took his chance.

    Something Altidore couldn't do.

    That's life.
     
  11. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In both goals tallied and injuries sustained.
     
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  12. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    For once, I have to agree with you. The Championship is tougher all round than Holland, so if Jozy is starting in D2, then he stays as no 1 for the MNT, unless Johansson goes on an absolute rampage in the Eredivisie.
     
  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    #6913 Suyuntuy, Apr 17, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
    Truth be told, for a lone striker in one of the stronger teams, Bacon is looking "meh." Still better than Agudelo, but not as good as Jozy did.

    I think the Eredivisie is stronger than the Championship. Mainly in what respects wing play and forwards. After all, the Eredivisie is the #8 league in Europe, as per the UEFA coefficients. Their teams tend to do well in the Europa. The defending is perhaps slightly below Championship level though, about MLS quality (IMO). The coaching in the Netherlands is a lot better than in the Championship, much more variegated and innovative. In general, coaching in England tends to be single-minded, stultified.

    I can see Jozy bagging 10-12 in a season down there, but only if he starts most games. Which I doubt. Also, if Sunderland keeps their midfield formation the way they've used them so far, with a destroyer and a back-passer combo in the middle (Cattermole-Ginger in the latest variation), I don't see them creating much, not even in the Championship.
     
  14. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Absolutely. Sunderland very rarely look like a team, rather than a collection of individuals who'd met for the first time at breakfast. In that kind of environment, Jozy was only ever going to be feeding off scraps. He had to be much more assertive, to be aggressive almost for the sake of being aggressive, and hope to force errors from defenders. Picking up yellow cards would be a mark of progress in England. Not Jozy's game but he had to do it for as long as he was in Sunderland .
     
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  15. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, though it was odd seeing his teammates pass to him
     
  16. Chance

    Chance Member+

    Minnesota United FC
    United States
    Apr 5, 2012
    Minneapolis, Minnesota
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This referee ruined the season. God damn this was a beastly non-goal.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    Is it any coincedence that Ki wasn't there to drill every single ball into the stands as well? No Bardsley either. Hmmmmm
     
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  18. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How on God's green earth that wasn't called a continuation is beyond me. Ridiculous.
     
  19. usry723

    usry723 Member+

    Aug 14, 2008
    Georgia, USA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Should've gotten the bucket and a freethrow.
     
  20. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax

    He also had an absolute laser from about 20 rocket off the post in the early weeks, cannot recall the opponent. Had another long angled shot bounce just wide not long after that. I am still aggravated by the Johnson hat trick penalty against Fulham. More recently, he was pretty well robbed by a pair of excellent saves. With any luck at all, he would have 4-5 goals. Still not what he is capable of, but at least he would not be the easy local scapegoat.

    Of course, he would still have his head thoroughly examined around here, but I think that is just a built-in feature.
     
  21. Fanatical Monk

    Fanatical Monk Member+

    Jun 14, 2011
    Fantasyland
    Thats the guy that needs to show up every week. Play angry young man. We'll tell you when you need to dial it back. Until then, get pissed.
     
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  22. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly, over a million pounds per league goal for a striker is still a pretty easy scapegoat.
     
  23. striker

    striker Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    I wonder how many goals the likes of Suarez would score if every shot that hits the wood work or is nicely saved by the keeper becomes a goal instead. 50? By that standard, how good would it be to have scored 5 goals?
     
  24. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I actually think the ref had to call it back...Jozy responded to the foul by fouling back (2-handed shove, albeit to get away)...you can't let that play go on as a ref
     
  25. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure you can.

    Only argument I could see you make in favor of the ref is if he blew his whistle while Altidore was tangled up which caused the defender to disengage (which it looks like in the gif, I didn't see/hear the actual footage).
     

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