Health Care Reform Part III: The Implementation.

You want to know why people shouldn't just take what is spoon fed to them?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/u...y-revisions-mask-health-law-effects.html?_r=0

So this year, when it's politically the most important year to see trend lines in the stats, the Census Bureau decided to change the survey so much as to make the numbers incomparable.

Why do you think it was done this year? Maybe the numbers we have been fed aren't exactly accurate?

 

Open your mind!

 

So instead of addressing the issue you cloud it over. Typical.

 

Which numbers aren't accurate?

There have been a LOT of numbers related to ACA enrollments. Overwhelmingly, they show a dramatic increase in the number of people with health insurance because of this law. It's not as though the numbers the administration has announced clash with what we're seeing from other sources. And, on that issue, what do you mean by 'spoon fed?' Seriously, across the effing board - from state numbers to studies by various non-governmental groups - the numbers align. Was Barack Obama spoon feeding Americans those numbers, too? Did he spoon-feed us recent polling data from Gallup:

No, these trends aren't pure. Some states have lagged, especially those that refused to expand Medicaid. The percentage of young people signing up has been okay, but not great, etc. But this isn't a totalitarian state we're talking about here (despite what some TP-types might argue). The Obama Administration has little control over the flow of information. Being that the enrollment numbers for the ACA appear to be so strong, one could make the counter-argument that adjusting the Census formula now undermines the administration's ability to tout the law's success.

 

The problems come from the ability of the Census Bureau to provide accurate, year over year numbers, something they say they can't do with the new wording of the survey. The numbers we have been seeing all seem to jive but without the ability to see continuity going forward, those numbers don't mean much.

 

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/17/con...w_obamacare_conspiracies_officially_debunked/

Enough said.

 

So a Salon article that states the timing is less than ideal is proof to you. You couldn't find a MSNBC article? Is the right-bashing Salon where you get all of your information?

 

No, just read the title. Enough said.

 

For you. But we already knew that.

 

Keep reading the paragraph you saw the timing comment:

So... The new method will be able to tell what the insurance situation looked like before ACA was officially implemented and then next year it will show what the situation is like after ACA. I don't see the problem here. It seems like this is the perfect time for the change to go into place.

 

That appears to be all you do before you crap out a link.

 

Does anybody care about improving U.S. health care, or is the entire discussion always, forever, about trying to score political points and win elections?

Rhetorical question. I know the answer.

 

See you in 10 to 20 years.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

37th right now by the WHO. cross my fingers to make it to the top 20.

 

From everything I've read, it's bureaucratic inertia, not a Kenyan conspiracy. Which makes it stupid rather than dishonest.

I hope there's an uproar about this and Obama issues an executive order to put off this change for a year or 3. The ACA needs to stand on merit, and changing the questions obviously will yield worse information.

 

Hope we improve as well. Never trusted insurance companies myself but I hope to be wrong on this one.

 

So you are a fan of the single payer system?

 

I have no problem with single payer. I just think the insurance companies are evil and have screwed up our healthcare system. Their punishment is everyone must buy the bullshit they peddle.

 

Questioning the Census Bureau's timing is reminiscent of the right's claims that Obama was cooking the BLS unemployment numbers right before the 2012 election. I mean, dipping below 8% right before the election? How convenient. How predictable.

Of course, the only thing truly predictable is that a certain percentage of people on the right will twist any news of this sort into a potential conspiracy theory.

 

Thanks. That's an honest response I can agree with.

 

On my end, it stems more from a distrust in the government in general regardless of the party in charge. It's not like it is completely crazy to consider government officials twisting things to make themselves look better. I'm sure that never happens.

 

More precisely, it will yield inconsistent information between years. I see they are going to release 2013 numbers with the new methodology so that will ought to remove the charge of a conspiracy, although it will leave it difficult to judge the effect of the U26 provision. So, yeh, delay the implementation until the effects of the ACA - whatever they may be - have taken time to settle.

And I really hope they break out the numbers state by state so we can see the difference - if any - between the refusenik states and the rest.

 

MWA-HA-HA!!!! You fell into my TRAP!!!! Because only Socialist Nazis like Hitler and Stalin and OBUMMER govern by executive order!!!!

 

This bears repeating since this non-issue continues to be discussed.

 

I know.. I know. @Falc will tell us to use our eyes and open our minds, but here's a fact sheet from the White House now that the enrollment period for the exchanges has officially closed (including those that had started the process prior to the March 31 closure date):

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/04/17/fact-sheet-affordable-care-act-numbers

• 8 million signed up via exchanges
• 5 million for private insurance that meet ACA standards purchased outside of the exchanges
• 3 million U26 still on their parents plans
• 3 million for Medicaid and CHIP (as of February)

@VFish will find something to say about the demographics, which are 28% between 18-35 via the exchanges.