The Hobby Lobby case

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by superdave, Mar 26, 2014.

  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    Right.

    But this is a Supreme Court case. Please explain the constitutional principle that would allow the SC to rule in favor of Hobby Lobby, but would prevent them from, for example, saying that a firm owned by a religious person who believed in the subordination of women from refusing to promote women? For that matter, as I understand it the only approved method of birth control for Catholics is the rhythm method. Suppose a devout RC owned a company and refused to pay for ALL forms of birth control?

    Until you give a more full explanation, it looks like you're supporting the HL position because it seems "reasonable" to you. But religion, pretty much by definition (and I say this as a Christian), isn't reasonable.

    You can't have the Supreme Court picking and choosing which religious principles are OK. It has to be based on some higher principle. (I'll let the lawyers here chime in with the definitions of "undue burden" and "community standards" and the like.)
     
  2. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    @yossarian ? Who else?
     
  3. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    We as a society have decided to link health care with employment. The employer is nothing more than an administration conduit. The employer has no health care delivery responsibilities. The employer has no role in determining what care is appropriate in any medical situation. It is improper for any of the employees business supervisors to even know what health care an employee is receiving. Either we write plans in such a way as to ensure individual privacy or we de-link health care from employment. All of the people wh support HL should be thrilled to go to single payer and save HL's management the butt hurt of knowing the horrible atrocities their paperwork conduit role makes safe and possible. And by the way, for the last time, these arent abortion drugs, no matter how many times how many people weep that they are.
     
  4. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Pfffttt :mad: Who needs him!

    I've seen EVERY episode of 'Suits' :)

    :D
     
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  5. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Strictly speaking, why should it only be religions? I'm an atheist... don't I HAVE any rights? Well, I'm not a yank, am I, but y'know what I mean :D
     
  6. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    No, I meant it earnestly. The last generation of people who understand nothing about science and claim religious freedom to abuse women and children is going to die eventually.
     
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  7. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
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    Eventually, yes, but I don't think it will be as soon as you hope, with the crap going on in charter / voucher schools. Lots of kids are being taught outright lies and being kept completely ignorant about real science. The internet sure doesn't help.
     
  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    I'm sure they'll be real good at affecting policy from their minimum-wage jobs.
     
  9. ceezmad

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    Are 3rd trimester abortions legal outside rape, womens health danger legal under federal law?

    I assume he means mandate coverage for 3rd trimester abortions (in case of rape or mothers danger of dying).
     
  10. ceezmad

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    They could sell the company and live of the profits from the sell.

    Or they could say fvck that evil Obama and we will just close shop and fire all out employees, that will teach him.
     
  11. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    I call BS on this one; maybe you are just trying to be optimistic.
     
  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Well, that raises a very interesting question, doesn't it... and it relates to the matter RS mentioned about whether they're genuine or not.

    Y'see, if you think about it, if they ARE genuine, then they WILL close down their company rather than agree to fund 'baby-killers'. So, let's see if they do if it goes against them, eh?

    I'm waiting with keen anticipation to see their response but, tbh, I probably WON'T be holding my breath ;) :D
     
  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    Well that is because you underestimate their perhaps genuine care about their employees, they probably know their employees have families to feed and the Christian thing to do (in their mind) would be to make sure their employees do not get hurt.

    I doubt the HL owners are evil mofos.

    So no they would not close shop, they would do what is best for their beliefs and what is best for their employees.
     
  14. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Yeah, that must be it... ;)

    :D
     
  15. TheSlipperyOne

    TheSlipperyOne Member+

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    Not according to this movie:




    [​IMG]
     
  16. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Pffft!

    Like hundreds of years in the future people who watch 'Fox News' will STILL be able to spell 'Fox News'.

    Do me a favour! :rolleyes:
     
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  17. dapip

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  18. HerthaBerwyn

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    I dont see Timothy Daltons claim to attention. Also, Why do ad agencies like Heritage get amicus curiae briefs accepted and read at all? Can the Big Soccer community expect the same reception? How does the Court hear some sponsored opinion but not others?
     
  19. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Well it's clear that it's already begun...

    It's favor, there's no u in it :D
     
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  20. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    He labours to spell correctly.
     
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  21. soccernutter

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    Well, colour me tickled...
     
  22. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    I adoure this thread.


    wait...
     
  23. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    This thread has gone into the lou.
     
  24. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Nobody likes a smartarse, y'know :mad:

    :D
     
  25. Dr. Wankler

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    Just harlequining around.
     
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