didn't someone recently on this thread point out that Ramos has put up better numbers than Lewa this season (except for goals scored). I'm loving Miki's jump in form, I think he is going to be extremely good for the team. he's a beast (sometimes)
Crap. Thats a bad sign. So yeah, he could probably leave after 2015 season ends. And probably he will. No need to think otherwise. Goddamnit! Our management board should prevent those kind of exodus in the near future ASAP. Every ********in year we loose one or two key players. Thats pain in the ass. And I don't know what to think about Gundogan. Additional year on his contract is wise from him and BVB. But like you said, next year we could go through speculations over and over again.
Wasn't that common knowledge? Watzke called purchasing his exit clause the 'first and most important order of business' after the lost CL final in Wembley. Then there was a BILD article in November/December which stated Reus refused another offer, etc. The real surprising news is that his buy-out clause is at merely € 25m in 2015. That's only € 7m more than the one he had in Mönchengladbach. The agency of Götze, Kroos and Reus really knows how to milk and pressure the clubs for their own benefit.
I don't get your point with this comment. You said: I pointed out clubs do...and very recently. I am sure it is far more common than you think.
That's what I thought as well, but there was a new report yesterday which suggests the release clause is merely at € 25m. Here's an img. of the article from transfermarkt.de Spoiler (Move your mouse to the spoiler area to reveal the content) Show Spoiler Hide Spoiler column in the middle, second-last paragraph: The source is SportBild though, so take it with a grain of salt. Still, Watzke never confirmed the volume of the release clause, only the existence. We'll see how Watzke & Co. react to this, which might then allow us to judge the validity of the source.
Reus said for sportbild: "Of course I have a career plan, and I have a valid contract... I have never spoken in public about the content of the contract. BVB is my club, Dortmund is my home. I came back here to win titles - so far nothing. I really feel very, very comfortable..." It doesn't mean much, it's a sort of comment you would expect from a player, but I do hope he will stay a little longer if nothing else, he always seemed to me like someone who could be loyal. We shall see...
According to some media reports, the most recent media report says 25 million. Who knows which one is accurate. Watzke only confirmed that there is a release clause, nothing more.
I hope you're right, the media would be unbearable in case Reus joins Bayern München and Watzke would use this topic for the years to come...
I was kidding, of course. The press confirmed a while ago this clause does exist. Since he has resisted a buy out that means he wants to keep options open. Who wouldn't? If he goes to Bayern, oh well. They need more Germans anyway.
I know. Considering Reus has the same agency as Götze, the release clause is most likely valid for interested parties from Germany and abroad. Still, I wouldn't mind if he simply extended or went somewhere else. Two former Dortmund star players are more than enough already as far as I'm concerned.
You pointed out 1860. You're right of course, but it is 1860. We both know 1860 isn't a "usual case." I'm betting it isn't common at all. Most buyout clauses involved in extensions I've ever been involved in covering usually did not kick in until at least the season after the extension is signed. Now. That doesn't stop a club from accepting any offer for a player who might have just extended. Are you sure you're not confusing the two situations???
That was just the most recent of which I was aware. I am sure if we dug we could find others. According to my agent friend they are not all that rare either. Usually with hot, young talent who are looking for a performance incentive and the club in question may lack the funds to give money for performance so they build these in the first year contract. I understand Ott has one with FCN. Correct, but these are two different things. One is a club accepting an offer on a player without a buy out clause. The second is a buy out clause between transfer windows which would allow a player to accept an offer from any club without having the consent of his current club.
I guess it wasn't for some. I was responding to a question. Yes, I believe he did. I'm sorry. I don't try to keep up on things in the "Bild World" anymore. You've got me there........ I don't think anyone except the parties involved know what that buyout clause amount is. The figure I've got from the sources who have been best to me is 35M as others here have said. Sadly, I'm pretty certain we'll find out exactly how much it is during next season when all the Reus transfer speculation really heats up............
Probably so. But I wonder how many of them involve clubs in good financial standing?? This was my point when I exasperated about your bringing up 1860 and now FCN. We're talking about two clubs who don't have good financial standing. Of course, I realize I did not say this at first. I obviously did not say what I meant. Dude, not exactly. Situation one is a club accepting an offer before the buy out clause ever kicks in. But I do see you generally knew when I meant. Again, in my experiences, and granted, I worked with media people, not with agents a lot, you don't see clubs "in good financial standing" give buyout clauses which kick in either immediately or after a running season in which the deal was signed. And again, I realize I was not specific enough at the beginning of the conversation. My apologies.
No clue. Would have to do some research. The ones I mention come to mind because they are very recent. We agree that these clauses are not typically used by richer clubs. I think I said as much at the beginning. I suspect based on what my friends in-the-know tell me, these clauses are fairly "boilerplate" for young players and with certain clubs. You are right that Bayern or BVB or Schalke or even Wolfsburg are not likely to give these.
We know this. However, this isn't what we're discussing. We are discussing buyout clauses. Not relegation clauses or clauses in general. However, on that topic, many here are watching one Bundesliga relegation clause in particular. Josip Drmic's at FCN.........
True. But they are mostly young players trying to make it, old guys just trying to hang on and the all too rare these days, fiercely loyal guys. Most players worth anything or who have good enough confidence in their own abilities have relegation clauses in their contracts.
If their contracts weren't valid for the 2nd division, why pay a transfer fee at all? Most pkayers have valid contracts for both divisions, but a lot of them also have exit clauses in case their team relegates.