Valencia vs Real Madrid | La Liga | Match day 17 | 12/22/13 | 21:00 (Local)

Madrid will win the double this year. Hopefully CL is included. This team is much better than most fans believe. If you compare their growth from earlier in the season you see quite a massive difference. At least we don't have people calling ancelotti the worst manager in the world.

Bale Benz and Ronaldo make an incredible attacking trident and ancelotti basically lucked into a modric isco Alonso midfield. Its an amazing team. The defense is lacking but I have confidence in them as well, as long as varane returns to health.

 

So spell out your theory for me. Is it big bad zidane who has hatched this conspiracy to give minutes to an undeserving player? Who is in on it? Perez? Ancelotti? The nsa and the Cia in it as well?

There is a lot of pressure on the coaching staff for immediate wins. There is also a lot of pressure on Perez. What incentive do these people have to make their team worse on purpose? What's more likely, that there is a grand conspiracy behind the scenes to make the team worse on purpose and zidane is the one keeping the secret meetings? Or the coaching staff actually believe him to be the best choice and your admitted hatred is causing you to see conspiracies in every direction?

Do you sincerely believe that if morata was going to give this team a better chance to win that the coaching staff would choose losing on purpose? Does this make any sense?

 

One would think Higuain had no faults with how some of you talk. Dude was inconsistent and struggled badly in CL play. Had he been consistent this scenario would have actually happened.

Instead we were stuck with two strikers who had bright spots but none who actually made the position his own. Both good players, but both just not owning it.

 

I agree with YS87 here. I always liked Higuan more than Benzema but he is not a true world class player and he was way too inconsistent and had a tendency to disappear in big games.

 

I did a little research. They played together for four seasons and this are their stats

Benzema

Goals: 88
Assists: 54
Minutes played: 10800
Goal or assist every: 76 minutes

Higuain

Goals: 87
Assists: 39
Minutes played: 9800
Goal or assist every: 77 minutes


So basically they are pretty much equal. Higuain does have other advantages to him like fighting spirit, defensive work.... but he also disappears in most big games.
Benzema is lazy and all, but his stats in big games are much better. At the end of the day I think the right thing to do this summer was to sold both of them and buy a world class striker. I do agree with you that I would rather keep Pipita than Benzema but neither of them is world class.

 

This is frustrating as hell. Makes me fuucking mental.

Cue the Benzema apologists with their "yeah, he's bad.... but it could be worst" line of reasoning. I can't believe how blind some people are to why the madridismo is fed with him.

 

They may still get a striker in the next window. I'm not saying that they won't. Benz has not been blazing the world on fire. But the idea that has grown on this board that there is some sort of conspiracy in the works by Zidane and his henchmen to get the guy more minutes regardless of his performances does not make any sense.

I'm wondering what your argument is:

1) Ancelotti is making an honest mistake in choosing to play Benz over the other options, he doesn't realize the other options would perform better.
or
2) Ancelotti an co realize that Benz is inferior to his competition, but they play the player that will make the team worse.

I can understand the first one, but the second is preposterous.

 

This is funny because in the end of all that you gloss over the fact that Benzema is better in the CL like it is some minute difference when in reality it is a gigantic gulf.

Subjectivity.

Higuain was inconsistent and a no-show in CL, but also was a hard worker and a good player.
Benzema is inconsistent and extremely nonchalant, but would actually appear in big matches and is a good player.

The facts are your initial post I quoted, just isn't reality. Even if Higuain was here he'd still be the same inconsistent player who disappears in big matches/CL, no differently then Benzema is a non-chalant oaf. They both would be irritating us with their inconsistency and just like last year we'd be wishing for a new and better striker.

Even at Napoli Higuaiin has already struggled with a drought. When we sell Benzema, you can bet he will lazy/don't give a ******** with his new club as well.

 

People are loopy on this board. On one hand they say Morata hasn't had a good game in forever, then on the other they say "Start him ahead of Benzema!".

The shit is funny on some bi-polar shit.

If Morata was playing well, I'd be all for him starting, but when he is even worse? No thanks. Fuuck the passive aggressive, I am right nonsense of BS; in the end I just want the team to win.

 

My unpopular thought is the player who I think hurts the flow of this team the most with his individual displays is Ronaldo, but I have always thought that , it's a good thing that he's a great goalscorer, I have never thought much of his team play.
This does not mean he's not a great player.

 

You realize you're using what he did when he was 19 and 20 to justify a statement you made about him as a 25 year old?

His goal would have had merit and sent us into a final had Higuain made instead of missing yet another CL opportunity. Which returns us to my initial point of both players being inconsistent and flawed.

Come on man, you kill Benzema for every sitter missed; I don't blame you. Then you make light of Higuain's misses just because you like the guy a lot.

Totally missed the point.

Worthless stat considering one is just another man on his team and the other is the man on his team. Higuain isn't defering to Cristiano anymore. Poor example.

See the above. You can get angry and bring out as many meaningless facts as you want (here's more; who has more assists or who has ran more 10km) but I will continue to point at the fact Higuain was made a starter here and couldn't keep the position because he was inconsistent. The Benzema you hate would outplay him and he'd be on the bench. Benzema would be crap and Higuain would then replace him. This would flip and flop.

Your initial post was false, just accept it. Had it been true we damn sure wouldn't have went trophy less last season and we'd have made the CL final (not putting all blam on Higauin, Cristiano and Ozil's moment of selfishness helped)

I am not against subbing Benzema. Read the match threads.

 

Very sorry to say but with this sort of porous defence we ain't winning anything major.There might not be a single team with a better attackers than us but we are terrible with the defending counterpart.
There are teams with no big names in the back 4 and yet they manage to concede much lesser than us.Carlo has to figure something ut before it's too late.

 

"Isn't playing well enough to deserve the opportunities that a shit player has gotten" .... et tu logic?

 

I like morata, not as much as Jesse of course, but morata is a fine player for his age. Ready to be the #1 striker in Madrid? Lol. I don't think so. Let's let the guy mature and develop and talk about it in a year or two. Ancelotti has to make real decisions fans make fake decisions. The latter are much easier to make.

 

There is some truth to your thoughts on Ronaldo. Everyone can improve their play even Ronaldo.

 

I'm probably in the minority on this one, but I just don't think Morata is all that. Appreciate that he's not had a lot of playing time, but I'm just not convinced that he's (starting) Real Madrid material ala Granero, Soldado, Callejon, etc. unlike Jese.

I get the work-rate and attitude rhetoric, I just don't think he has the right level of quality to be a main striker at our club.

 

Morata definitely has the quality you'd like to see in a starting striker for, if you compare him to the likes of a Soldado or Negredo at the same age the difference is pretty pronounced. If you've only seen him in the first team minutes he's gotten it might be hard to see his "it" factor though. Alvaro is 20 years old and very raw, we all know that. I think the wrong question is being asked though, it's not whether he is ready to be our starting striker, he isn't. The question, at least for me, is whether the minutes Benzema is wasting currently might be more better given to "bleed" Morata. And maybe not all of them but definitely a good bit more than he is getting right now. How much worse can it get at this point? How much less of a chance of winning does playing Morata over this version of Benz give us?

 

Which is saying something when he did his best here for years and still couldn't take the job completely away from Benzema's nonchalant ass.

Actually you're speaking using a hypothetical argument while ignoring the facts we have from both being here in the past. I like Higuain, but I don't give a damn what he has done for Napoli. I have seen what he has done for Madrid the past years and it left a lot to be desire... just like Benzema currently.

It is precisely why both should/will be out of this club by the summer.

Switch Higuain for Benzema and the complaint turn from "Why is he so shit and freaking passive!" to "Why the hell can't he get his shit together in big/CL matches!". In the end both were "good" but Real Madrid needs more than what they have shown to bring in the shirt.

 

Again, this is incorrect. I overlook his current form with Napoli because Napoli is not Real Madrid. It is comparing apples to oranges. Why compare apples (Madrid) to oranges (Napoli) when we can compare apples (Madrid) to apples (Madrid)? After all your original post is if Higuain never left. Had he never left he would be the same inconsistent player. We know how Higuain has performed in a Madrid shirt no differently than we know how Benzema has. Attempting to bring other variables in order to distort the truth just won't cut it here.

Even if you want to force Napoli in this conversation he has even been inconsistent with Napoli struggling through a dry spell.