Arsenal predicts Arsenal will finish second- The Other Teams' Thread - [R]

fernb8 · Dec 16, 2013

no shock with AVB getting the hoof

I do wonder where all those journos are now who slated us for not giving him a fair chance and then proclaiming that he would teach us a lesson while at Spurs

Naughtius Maximus · Dec 16, 2013

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Oezil apologized on facebook and twitter like 20 minutes later. I'm not excusing it but he acknowledged the away fans after the heated moment of losing like a pub club...
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Yeah, in the disappointment of the moment he can be forgiven for that but it he has to be said Cris, he rather went missing a bit in that match. I mean, so did most of the others but so did he.

But like I said, if the ref's and linesman's decision had been right they wouldn't have been chasing the game to the extent they were.

Looks like citeh have become the new 'yanited' regarding decisions. Must be a 'northern' thing I suppose

Naughtius Maximus · Dec 16, 2013

fernb8 said: ↑

no shock with AVB getting the hoof

I do wonder where all those journos are now who slated us for not giving him a fair chance and then proclaiming that he would teach us a lesson while at Spurs
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You've got to be kidding mate... you don't seriously think they'll come clean and ADMIT they got it wrong, do yer??? Nah, they'll happily slip straight into 'Glenda Slag' mode and flatly contradict EVERYTHING they said without stopping to draw breath.

Wrath · Dec 16, 2013

Ozil looks tired. Wenger is running him to ground just like cesc.

BlueRebelZ · Dec 16, 2013

schafer · Dec 16, 2013

It'll be interesting to see who Spurs go for next. You'd have to think a guy like Pochettino would be on their radar, although I'm not sure he'd be too eager to leave Southampton at this point.

As for AVB, I think he's probably run out of chances in England for the time being. Failed at two upper-tier clubs and I suspect he's seen as too risky for anyone lower on the Premier League ladder. His best bet is probably somewhere on the continent, maybe where players are more understanding of his 'project'.

fernb8 · Dec 16, 2013

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25408354

Zola out at Watford

fernb8 · Dec 16, 2013

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25408303

he will appeal it and it will eventually be reduced to 3 games. Lucky it is not more games imo.

fernb8 · Dec 16, 2013

have to say that I was initially excited about AVB and thought that he would be the person to lead us through the progression we seem to be going through now, almost two years later. Naughtius was among the minority of posters at the time to openly have concerns about the style AVB was deploying and how that would translate in the Prem and over almost two years of evidence it is pretty clear he is not the right man for a top job in this League. He went from an almost all out attack, high line suicide defending to a complete passive, keep things tight, very little attack approach.

I understand that upon initially arriving at Chelsea that he was pretty well received among the majority of the players and had made some bold promises to the younger players about moving them into the first team and taking a real interest in their development as he moved the club into the "new era" under Roman. As we all know that did not occur and from the information which was clear to us all and some that may have been behind the scenes- it did not take long for his personality to rub several people the wrong way including Lamps, JT and Drogba (three of the bigger personalities at the club). I will save the some of the stories I have been told as I can not discern which ones are true and which ones are not (although the DVD stories we heard are very much true) and will defer to the description from Juni

Chelsea Youth ‏@chelseayouth 7h
@JLuck15 He's never come across as a decent bloke, he appears a self-involved prick who has treated some players at both clubs horribly.

Without doubt we made the correct decision to pull the plug on him and that was only further vindicated today despite the journos having a pop at us after we sacked him. The thing is, and I continue to repeat this, that besides the sacking/resignation/whatever you want to call it of Jose who can you really argue deserved not to be sacked and of all those sacked Manager who has really gone onto bigger and brighter things?

I think we could have a pretty good debate about Carlo but for me personally he was never going to work within the parameters he was assigned and I think RDM was pretty shamefully sacked and most likely would have ended up with a similar League position as Rafa with possibly one trophy to match (although I doubt it would have been the UEFA Cup). I would have loved to have kept Hiddink but that was not happening so it really is not relevant in terms of "sacking". Other than does anyone really think that we made errors with the likes of Messrs Raineri, Grant, Scolari, AVB or FSW?

Wrath · Dec 16, 2013

AVB got a new job.

Ninjatend0 · Dec 16, 2013

like Carlo as person, but his last season was pretty clueless and static. injuries didn't help him, but he got found out and never adjusted it seemed. was always going to be a better continental manager anyway.

as for the rest, i agree, we've gotten a lot of stick for all of the sackings, but as individual decisions non of them have really ever been that bad. it's just that you put a lot of them together and it looks bad but they're all pretty explainable.

think it's clear that the best managers in the league right now are Martinez and Pochitteno. just my opinion.

fernb8 · Dec 16, 2013

time for a new thread

suggestions please

Ninjatend0 · Dec 16, 2013

we sacked him first, who says we've got no history - OTT

slipereypete · Dec 16, 2013

He's not here to Bale you out.

cr7torossi · Dec 16, 2013

Mourinho?

Naughtius Maximus · Dec 16, 2013

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AVB got a new job.

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As long as he doesn't get the boot when they have an outbreak of 'Nimbo Cumulos' like the last person...

Naughtius Maximus · Dec 16, 2013

schafer said: ↑

It'll be interesting to see who Spurs go for next. You'd have to think a guy like Pochettino would be on their radar, although I'm not sure he'd be too eager to leave Southampton at this point.
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He'd be an idiot to leave for a club where the last fella got sacked with the side in 7th position. I know they should be doing better but just how much higher do they think they're going to get? 1st? 2nd?

I mean, it's SPERZ FFS !!!???

Cletis · Dec 16, 2013

fernb8 said: ↑

Without doubt we made the correct decision to pull the plug on him and that was only further vindicated today despite the journos having a pop at us after we sacked him. The thing is, and I continue to repeat this, that besides the sacking/resignation/whatever you want to call it of Jose who can you really argue deserved not to be sacked and of all those sacked Manager who has really gone onto bigger and brighter things?

I think we could have a pretty good debate about Carlo but for me personally he was never going to work within the parameters he was assigned and I think RDM was pretty shamefully sacked and most likely would have ended up with a similar League position as Rafa with possibly one trophy to match (although I doubt it would have been the UEFA Cup). I would have loved to have kept Hiddink but that was not happening so it really is not relevant in terms of "sacking". Other than does anyone really think that we made errors with the likes of Messrs Raineri, Grant, Scolari, AVB or FSW?
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At the risk of stating the obvious, I think our management has shown poor judgment in its hiring decisions, rather than its terminations. Assuming "mangerial stability" is a goal (something which I'm not sure is the case), one has to conclude that the folks making decisions at CFC have most certainly failed. I can't take issue with any of the firings (not even RDM, as painful as it was), but we've all got to admit that the hiring process is (or was) woeful.

Yahtzee · Dec 16, 2013

imo, Carlo wasn't given what he needed to continue his success. we got rid of the 3 utility players who were (at times) pivotal when we had to deal with injuries (Ballack, Deco, Juliano) and found ourselves having to start a newly signed Ramires at positions such as holding mid ( ). This, combined with firing his right hand man (Wilkins), and the signing of Torres were both detrimental to this team at the time and we still managed 2nd place.

The way I saw it and still feel about it, Carlo's sacking was the harshest (probably tied with RDMs). Of course..this is all in the past, but that season really rubbed me the wrong way.

Wrath · Dec 16, 2013

Carlo was the only one (apart from Jose of course) that I felt should not have been sacked.

Cris 09 · Dec 16, 2013

Well, it wasn't just the results, was it?

lobomojo · Dec 16, 2013

ol Setanta tv crew takes over tots

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/16/andre-villas-boas-tottenham-sack-tim-sherwood

hudson hooligan · Dec 16, 2013

Wrath said: ↑

Carlo was the only one (apart from Jose of course) that I felt should not have been sacked.
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RDM?

Naughtius Maximus · Dec 16, 2013

Cris 09 said: ↑

Well, it wasn't just the results, was it?
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I'd say 'arry did the best, looking at those stats coz he took them over after Ramos was running the show and he'd turned them into something of a basket-case. Managing to get sperz to a CL quarter-finals is pretty decent.

Yahtzee · Dec 16, 2013

As much as I hate his on field bullshit, props to Cristiano for this.

http://eurosport.yahoo.com/news/foo...charges-cristiano-ronaldo-222937368--sow.html